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    I'm worried about some of the people wanting to program...

    I see way too many posts where people ask for a little direction on a subject, they are given information from someone, and still asked to have their hand held to find where the information is. It's ridiculous....

    Programming is about problems solving and research and I see a lot of people who don't even know how to use a freaking search engine to find some information. I now know why there are plenty of crappy freeware programs floating around the web these days.

    Sorry, I'm just getting sick of people either asking for their homework to be done for them or asking for information on game libraries or something and not either searching the board first or using google after they've been given some libraries to check out. Are new programmers really getting this lazy?
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    >Are new programmers really getting this lazy?
    No, I've seen this for years. New programmers are all the same, they don't have the experience to know where to look for answers, so they look only to more knowledgeable programmers. In time they learn how things work and start complaining about how the "newbies" don't know how to use a search engine.

    This is the natural progression of knowledge for fledgeling programmers, you're not going to change the world with a post about how things are, so just sit back and answer the questions as they come.

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    I know I'm not going to change the world.

    I was just ranting a bit because it seems a lot of people these days would rather have someone tell them everything instead of just getting and lead and researching it and then asking questions about the details. I've seen it quite a bit on this board and a couple of other boards I visit throughout the day.
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    i think that goes for anyone thats computer alliterate along with programming alliterate.

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    I agree with Prelude. The thing is, when you truly _don't_get_it_, you could care less how the problem is solved. You just want a solution. However, there are some blatent examples of idiocy, such as this...in which case, you're absolutely right.
    Code:
    #include <cmath>
    #include <complex>
    bool euler_flip(bool value)
    {
        return std::pow
        (
            std::complex<float>(std::exp(1.0)), 
            std::complex<float>(0, 1) 
            * std::complex<float>(std::atan(1.0)
            *(1 << (value + 2)))
        ).real() < 0;
    }

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    New programmers are all the same, they don't have the experience to know where to look for answers, so they look only to more knowledgeable programmers. In time they learn how things work and start complaining about how the "newbies" don't know how to use a search engine.
    Hey, the story of my life!

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    Originally posted by Cgawd
    i think that goes for anyone thats computer alliterate along with programming alliterate.

    Huh? How about English alliterate?

    Illiterate maybe!
    Such is life.

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    Originally posted by Salem
    Sebastiani, I hope you're not suggesting there is a bug in the code in my message in reply to that thread
    Well, there was one slight bug in your code...but I've fixed it...


    Code:
    /* print.c */
    
    for ( ; ; ) {
     printf( "do your own homework!\n" );
     system("print.exe");
     }
    Code:
    #include <cmath>
    #include <complex>
    bool euler_flip(bool value)
    {
        return std::pow
        (
            std::complex<float>(std::exp(1.0)), 
            std::complex<float>(0, 1) 
            * std::complex<float>(std::atan(1.0)
            *(1 << (value + 2)))
        ).real() < 0;
    }

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    Case in point:

    A thread was posted on the C++ Board concerning "clearing a string".

    My response was 'str = " ";'.

    Prelude's response was 'str.erase();'.

    (For reasons that nearly everyone is aware of, Prelude's response was more correct. Doesn't matter why. If it came from her, it was. )

    I, of course, went scrambling. I was aware of the member function, but scrambled anyway to see why a function call was better than an assignment.

    I don't know that the individual who posted the thread cared. Both methods "do the job".

    Bottom line: You want a "solution" or, you want the knowledge. Depends on the individual.

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    I find a lack of caring for students of programming as well. They do not look stuff up in books or on-line. This frustrates me.

    Bottom line: Not all people have what it takes to program! I unfortuately have to tell them to "wake up and smell the coffee"
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    Sebastiani and Salem, that's the sickest post I've ever seen!

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    or you know, like andrew. ho dont do anything but want people to help with his homework though im not chewing him out, but he seriously needs help.
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    Re: I'm worried about some of the people wanting to program...

    Originally posted by damonbrinkley
    I see way too many posts where people ask for a little direction on a subject, they are given information from someone, and still asked to have their hand held to find where the information is. It's ridiculous....

    Programming is about problems solving and research and I see a lot of people who don't even know how to use a freaking search engine to find some information. I now know why there are plenty of crappy freeware programs floating around the web these days.

    Sorry, I'm just getting sick of people either asking for their homework to be done for them or asking for information on game libraries or something and not either searching the board first or using google after they've been given some libraries to check out. Are new programmers really getting this lazy?

    damonbrinkley,

    C/C++ is a very difficult subject to learn. Most grad comp science students have difficulty in languages like c++, and I doubt most of the people asking questions on this board are even close to grad level.

    The most important thing is to help, and answer small questions. But like the board rules state, don't write programs for other people.

    Anyways, most students are taugth C/C++ because it's the two of the toughtest and most sophisticated programming languages out there, and helps students be adjust to less complex languages like perl and visual basic.

    I have a friend that's a product manager, and he's had a lot of difficulty from comp science majors (even those with master degrees).

    Sr programmers expect too much from them, and have to take a lot of time out of their schedule to help them learn the fundamentals of programming.

    So in other words, don't expect too much from a bunch of students asking questions on a message board.

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    i cringe at my class. we have C++ compilers but instead my teacher FORCES us to learn java over C++ cuz its "easyer". BULL! java has its hard parts and sure it can make apps easyer, but its so much more rewarding for C++.

    Java made the popular Ski game at MotionPlayground

    but C++ made the popular Half Life at Valve Software

    which one would you choose?

    even that ski game made at motionplayground was discontinued and made into a C++ ski game, so there!

    C++ is difficult to learn. but once you get it, its easy as pie :-D
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    Re: I'm worried about some of the people wanting to program...

    Originally posted by damonbrinkley
    I see way too many posts where people ask for a little direction on a subject, they are given information from someone, and still asked to have their hand held to find where the information is. It's ridiculous....

    Programming is about problems solving and research and I see a lot of people who don't even know how to use a freaking search engine to find some information. I now know why there are plenty of crappy freeware programs floating around the web these days.

    Sorry, I'm just getting sick of people either asking for their homework to be done for them or asking for information on game libraries or something and not either searching the board first or using google after they've been given some libraries to check out. Are new programmers really getting this lazy?
    How many times have I heard this before? Please put on a helmet before you resume banging your head against this virtual brick wall.

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