How can you reason with this madman?

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    How can you reason with this madman?

    A transcript of Osama Bin Laden's taped statement, aired on Arab television station after the US and British strikes.

    "I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. There is America, hit by God in one of its softest spots. Its greatest buildings were destroyed, thank God for that. There is America, full of fear from its north to its south, from its west to its east. Thank God for that.

    What America is tasting now, is something insignificant compared to what we have tasted for scores of years. Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no-one hears and no-one heeds. When God blessed one of the groups of Islam, vanguards of Islam, they destroyed America. I pray to God to elevate their status and bless them

    Millions of innocent children are being killed as I speak. They are being killed in Iraq without committing any sins and we don't hear condemnation or a fatwa from the rulers. In these days, Israeli tanks infest Palestine - in Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jalla, and other places in the land of Islam, and we don't hear anyone raising his voice or moving a limb.

    When the sword comes down (on America), after 80 years, hypocrisy rears its ugly head. They deplore and they lament for those killers, who have abused the blood, honour, and sanctuaries of Muslims. The least that can be said about those people, is that they are debauched. They have followed injustice. They supported the butcher over the victim, the oppressor over the innocent child. May God show them His wrath and give them what they deserve.

    I say that the situation is clear and obvious. After this event, after the senior officials have spoken in America, starting with the head of infidels worldwide, Bush, and those with him. They have come out in force with their men and have turned even the countries that belong to Islam to this treachery, and they want to wag their tail at God, to fight Islam, to suppress people in the name of terrorism.

    When people at the ends of the earth, Japan, were killed by their hundreds of thousands, young and old, it was not considered a war crime, it is something that has justification. Millions of children in Iraq, is something that has justification. But when they lose dozens of people in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam (capitals of Kenya and Tanzania, where US embassies were bombed in 1998), Iraq was struck and Afghanistan was struck. Hypocrisy stood in force behind the head of infidels worldwide, behind the cowards of this age, America and those who are with it.

    These events have divided the whole world into two sides. The side of believers and the side of infidels, may God keep you away from them. Every Muslim has to rush to make his religion victorious. The winds of faith have come. The winds of change have come to eradicate oppression from the island of Muhammad, peace be upon him. To America, I say only a few words to it and its people. I swear by God, who has elevated the skies without pillars, neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it in Palestine, and not before all the infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad, peace by upon him.

    God is great, may pride be with Islam. May peace and God's mercy be upon you."

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    Ramble on...

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    By definition you cannot reason with a madman.
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself.

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    Exactly. You can't.
    Ramble on...

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    Oh, sorry, I didn't realise this was meant to be a rhetorical post.
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself.

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    MADMEN to us maybe but to some people in that are in that part of the world, that makes a whole lot of sense.

    Probably more sense to them than the sense to Americans and the rest of the world that Bush has been saying.

    They are part of the same coin, but different sides. The coin being propaganda.
    Its all in your mind...

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    By the looks of the statement, all the "West" should do is completely pull out of all the Islamic nations in the world and then have nothing else to do with them ever again.

    All in favour...

    I also never called anyone mad, I made a very general statement about the nature of madmen.

    I wonder if complete withdrawl and isolationism would include us removing all our technology as well...
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself.

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    Think about what would happen then, Rob. Iraq or any of those countries could try and take over all of the other countries and restrict our supply of oil, or make us pay 100x more than we do. I'm MORE than convinced that would happen. We need troops in there to make sure that they don't get too greedy with the oil.

    The best thing we could ever do is to get electric cars perfected. Then we could leave that entire region to its own devices.

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    It has nothing to do with that. They can not be left alone because they would build nuclear weapons and destroy the world. They are obviously religious nut cases.

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    if you are mad and you are a man, does that make you a madman?
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    No, madman gives the conotation that you are mad without
    reason.

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    "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln. Looks like Bin Laden just proved that....

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    >>>No, madman gives the conotation that you are mad without
    reason.

    ug.... such a serious reply.

    Loosen the collar there Pointdexter. (yes I know you are not wearing a collar and that your name is not Pointdexter.)
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    >The best thing we could ever do is to get electric cars perfected.

    We need to finish developing fusion power. Then we could have an almost unlimited power supply of our own.
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    >if you are mad and you are a man, does that make you a madman?

    ::wonders at the exclusiveness of conjoined words::

    >"It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln. Looks like Bin Laden just proved that....

    i agree...

    >MADMEN to us maybe but to some people in that are in that part of the world, that makes a whole lot of sense.

    how many of us were born in another country? i bet you a great number of us haven't... perhaps, 35 percent... how many were born in third-world countries? i think we would be surprised... and i don't think our opinions and our culture are particularly exclusive on this board...
    hasafraggin shizigishin oppashigger...

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    From www.webster.com

    a man who is or acts as if insane




    Loosen the collar there Pointdexter. (yes I know you are not wearing a collar and that your name is not Pointdexter.)
    hmm I can't find any fault in that statement

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