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    Well we have the flood witch would of killed of the dinasours. The ice age was shortly after this. Mountains have changed shap slowly, the pyramids were build only a few thousand years ago.
    Could you tell me the exact year the Bible says the world was created? I'm not positive on the date, but I know it somewhere from 6,000bce to 3,000bce. I know it's a fairly recent number, and it is impossible, based on that number, for all of those events to have taken place. The dinasours ruled the earth for thousands and thousands of years. A flood isn't what killed the dinasours either, because all land organisms would have died, as well. There is no way such a drastic event as the Ice Age could occur in such little time. Mountains can't change so greatly in such little time as the Bible suggests. Then after all of these changes, which must have occurred in a span of time of about 2-3 thousand years, the Egyptians start to flourish and create their pyramids. I was using the recent even of the pyramids to show exactly how much time must have been given for the rest of these huge events to have taken place. Don't you think it seems not only higly unlikely but impossible for all of those events to have taken place in such little time?

    Intelligence has nothing to do with how you treat others, inteligently I would say we should just go and kill all the people of the middle east.
    Yes, intellignce has a lot to do with how you treat others. You don't kill another person for no reason at all, because you know that you won't benefit from it. Like Clyde said, working together as a society and using our combined intelligence is much more beneficial. Not harming another person when you gain nothing from it is pretty much simple logic.

    Do you think it was easy to be a Christiain in ancient Rome? If your faith is bassed on what others think around you then why call it faith.
    No, but do you think it's easy being a Jew in Israel? Do you think it was easy being a Jew during the Holocaust? IMO, if we're going to talk about people who were willing to risk their lives based on their religion, then lets talk about the Jews. Again this proves your point wrong that Christians are willing to risk themseleves more. It's not a matter of the religion; it's a matter of the strength and determination of the person's heart.

    The Good news is to be preached every where.
    Another completely unrelated reply.

    The rest of the comments that I didn't reply back to were pretty well explained by Clyde, so I have no reason to reply back to the rest of them.

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    Why do the non-believers insist on asking for physical proof of something that completely transcends physics?
    I'm curious if the believers have any actual reason why they believe besdies that it is their faith; that's all.

    Some believers lack logic and ration; likewise, some non-believers lack common sense.
    How do some of the non-believers lack common sense?

    You do, do you? Well I'm referring to someone at a different forum website. No, it's not FD either...
    Um, I was joking with you. Not neccesarily even joking but making a comment to you in a light-hearted manner.

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    1. You can not be judged on what you have not heard
    There ya go. Many Buddhists have not heard the teachings of Christianity, so when they die shouldn't they be allowed to go to heaven, too, considering that they shouldn't be judged based on what they haven't heard?

    2. Simply because it's dangerous to be a Christain does not give you an excuse to not be one.
    That's a very unfair statement and biased one at that, too. Your whole statement hints that you think Christianity is superior to all other religions and there is no reason for someone not to be a Christian. At least that's my interpretation of that statement.

    3. How can I answer what I would have done if I was not there?
    By putting yourself in a hypothetical situation then imagining what you're reaction would be in that situation.

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    If there was a God, wouldn't she ban the obnoxious pop up ads on this new site?. Anyway, whatever happened to the good old creation/evolution or Pakistan/India threads? You'd think this thread would bring 'em out of the woodwork...
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    No, you have not studied evolution! If you had, then you would understand the MOST BASIC principle and guiding force behind it and not ask a question such as "How does the DNA know when to change?" You would also have known that that little webpage you posted supports evolution quite nicely - a creature that has no chance to survive evolves into something that can through mutations. The fact that it happened so fast pertains to the fact that it is not that complex an animal, bacteria can evolve even much quicker than that. You state that this is your proof that new species just appear? Even the webpage doesn't say that but instead remarks that it evolved, just rather quickly. Go read about evolution from a NON christian website. You still have yet to say one thing that in any way prooves creationism or prooves evolution to be false. Everything evolves, animals, the universe, everything. Even christianity evolves, do you think it is the same now as it was 200 years ago? 1000 years ago? Even God evolved from a wrathfull god of the old testament to the forgiving god of the new testament.

    Second, why is there the remarkable coherence among many different dating methods -- for example: radioactivity, tree rings, ice cores, corals, supernovas -- from astronomy, biology, physics, geology, chemistry and archeology? They all agree, and they all say the world and its fossils are older by FAR than what you say.

    Third, why are do so many christians nowadays actually believe in evolution?
    The cookie cutter theroy is a diffent way to explain everything. The bible dosn't explain how god created all the animals
    Err... you are stating a far off theory that has absolutely no proof what so ever, and which even the bible doesn't say anything about, and this is your proof that evolution is still a theory? Isn't that like me saying "Well, I don't have any proof, but I believe that the sun is actually only the size of a marble" thus making the fact that the earth revolves around the sun only a theory and not fact?
    True but not in the masses that christinaity has
    So the more people who believe something the more true it is? 200 years ago most americans believed that blacks were less of a person, did this make it true? Its called jumping on the bandwagon, the more people who believe something the more likely another person will jump on.

    Okay, since you won't answer the question, I'll answer it for you. If born in Thailand with a family of Buddhists, a country of 99% Buddhists, a society where it is very wrong to insult or offend anyone especially your family, YOU WOULD BE BUDDHIST! You would still be the same person, just as good a person, just as sorry for your sins, but Buddhist. Sure, you would hear about Christianity a little bit, but only really in a Buddhist setting. But you would be sent to hell because you aren't a christian! Why? Because you didn't question your beliefs of Buddhism JUST LIKE christians don't question theres. Every time a hard question comes up you'll answer "Thats not for me to know" just like christians -I've heard this several times from you- always say "I can't speak for god" or "Thats god's will" or "I'm sure god has a reason". You are faulting these people for doing the EXACT same thing you are doing! Have you ever honestly thought that maybe Islam, or Buddhism, or Taoism, or Hinduism is the correct answer, enough to actually go and study them outside of a christian setting with an open mind? And yet you expect them to do the same for christianity? Christianity is being VERY hypocritical about this!

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    >Um, I was joking with you. Not neccesarily even joking but making a comment to you in a light-hearted manner.<

    Be it all the same...

    I think you might have sensed offensive defense in my reply. However, I assure you, there was none. I know you were sort of joking...

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    just can't help it

    Here is my two-thousand-rupes worth:

    I do believe in a "god" so to speak. I do not believe that anyone is wrong in their beliefs, so long as they have something to believe. I think that the reason there are so many religions is so that there are many ways for people to find their way to heaven. The next life. Perfection. The top of the mountain. The eternal destination. Whatever you like.

    On my theory of "god". We can never know what is right or wrong, and that is the substance that has held god etc. together even in this day and age. I have not settled between thinking that god is an imnioptent being who is just there, if He is one of some race of omnipotent beings who use us as some sadist game of life and death, or even if God is simply some higher-dimensional being who (like we can) creates whatever he wants down at OUR level of existance. This is the one that i am currently most interested in, as it has the most science behind it. Just as we can "create" on 3 and 2 dimensions, so could a, say, 10-th dimensional being create on the 2nd through 9th dimensions. By the way, we are 4-dimensional cbeings, 3 spatial dimensions, one chronological dimension. Who is to say that if i were a 10 dimensional being that i can't make a couple of humans, make a planet, and then add a few drops of time, just enough to give it a one way flow, and voila, we have the creation? Oh well. I like to think about it. Thanks for lostening.

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    >reading a paragraph on a creationist website does not constitute "studying evolution".<

    How did you logicaly come up that statment. Sorry unless you know everthing I did in my life. I like everyone else was taught evelolution in school, and even before I became a christiain I fault there was something wrong with it.

    >With a single self replicating molecule, current theory suggests that this molecule was a "relative" of RNA (PNA). We already know that the building blocks of life can form spontaneously in environments simulating prebiotic Earth, (Miller's exp), and that thermal vents in the ocean could create the reducing environment needed for the organic chemistry that would have formed our initial replicator.<
    Many people still remember the experiment by Stanley Miller in 1953 in which he mixed up some chemicals and a spark and got some very simple 'building blocks' of life. I read recently an interview with Stanley Miller in which he basically admitted that he hadn't gotten any further.

    Well, that's what I call an honest man, because the original experiment of the sparking produced only certain amino acids. And they are all a mixture of left and right-handed forms. Life is made up only of left-handed forms so to get the mixture of left and right forms and expect only the left form to associate together to form proteins is just 'not on'.

    I understand that there are other reasons why that experiment couldn't go any further.

    Yes, if you keep on heating the mixture of amino acids it just produces a type of brownish gunk, non-biological polymers. So he had to stop the experiment after a few days.

    In any case, the cell is made of more than just amino acids - also fats, carbohydrates, DNA, RNA and soon. The scientists who work on origin of life problems know very well that experiments designed to produce amino acids don't produce sugars. And those that produce sugars don't produce anything else, and so on. And there is of course a problem of preservation of the molecules. They just undergo random destruction unless they are protected, like in a cell.

    What if you had all of the raw materials necessary to construct a cell and you just threw them together into a random jumbled pile, would it just assemble itself by its own properties?

    No, the presence of building materials is one thing, the requirement of the plan to put these building materials in the proper places and get them working together is another thing. That's why a cell is so beautiful, so intricate. Because of that, even non- Christian scientists marvel at that. Even to get one single functional protein molecule to form by chance is a mathematical absurdity. Sir Fred Hoyle recognized this. He teased his colleagues, told them to put all the raw ingredients in a swimming pool, and see if they get one single molecule needed. Of course no one will take him up, because they know it won't work.

    A biochemist called Sidney Fox heated up some dry amino acids which caused them to link together into small chains, then dropped them in some water and some little round things formed that got people excited because they looked like cells - and some of them even looked like they were dividing. He called them 'protocells'.

    This is a misnomer - they are nothing to do with cells at all. They look like cells because they are round, but there are many round things which are not cells.
    >Could you tell me the exact year the Bible says the world was created? I'm not positive on the date, but I know it somewhere from 6,000bce to 3,000bce. I know it's a fairly recent number, and it is impossible, based on that number, for all of those events to have taken place. The dinasours ruled the earth for thousands and thousands of years. A flood isn't what killed the dinasours either, because all land organisms would have died, as well. There is no way such a drastic event as the Ice Age could occur in such little time. Mountains can't change so greatly in such little time as the Bible suggests. Then after all of these changes, which must have occurred in a span of time of about 2-3 thousand years, the Egyptians start to flourish and create their pyramids. I was using the recent even of the pyramids to show exactly how much time must have been given for the rest of these huge events to have taken place. Don't you think it seems not only higly unlikely but impossible for all of those events to have taken place in such little time?<

    This might shed light:
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4204tj_v5n1.asp


    >Yes, intellignce has a lot to do with how you treat others. You don't kill another person for no reason at all, because you know that you won't benefit from it. Like Clyde said, working together as a society and using our combined intelligence is much more beneficial. Not harming another person when you gain nothing from it is pretty much simple logic.<

    Benifts of wipping out the freshman in my high school
    1. The school would be less crowed
    2. Nummerios restrictions placed on us as a result of there actions would be lifted
    3. Teachers that had freshman classes could be resingned other classes allowing for more diversity
    4. No one likes them any ways

    Logicly they provide no benifts, and add major disruptions and should be removed

    >No, but do you think it's easy being a Jew in Israel? Do you think it was easy being a Jew during the Holocaust? IMO, if we're going to talk about people who were willing to risk their lives based on their religion, then lets talk about the Jews. Again this proves your point wrong that Christians are willing to risk themseleves more. It's not a matter of the religion; it's a matter of the strength and determination of the person's heart.<
    Jesus Christ alone, of all men in history, has conquered man's greatest enemy - death. The founders of other religions are all dead and their tombs venerated. The tomb of Christ is empty, and His bodily resurrection from the grave is the best proved fact of all history. The fact that He alone could overcome death demonstrates that He alone has all power. He Himself said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me" (John 14:6).
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    "Religion is the opiate of the masses"

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    Read the book of Romans to see what I mean.


    Likewise, very religious people statistically have longer lifespans and happier lives.
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    I'm curious if the believers have any actual reason why they believe besdies that it is their faith; that's all.
    We don't believe because there is unequivacally proof.
    Belief makes us who we are. Denying that, we're nothing.

    Okay, since you won't answer the question, I'll answer it for you. If born in Thailand with a family of Buddhists, a country of 99% Buddhists,
    I know people from close to Thailand who are mormens.
    Buddhist are probably more accepting
    of other religions than say being christian in afganistan.

    fact that the earth revolves around the sun only a theory and not fact?
    There is nothing wrong with that statement. It all depends
    on your vantage point.

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    I don't want to startr any heated arguments hear, so please don't get too passionate about my point here: Science has never been able to explain everything in terms of science, it has repeatedly had to rely on terms of religion. For example - I don't believe there is any reason not to believe that maybe God was in control of a 'Big' Bang', but if science wants to adopt that as its theory of creation, how can it explain it in terms of science? Where did the material in the big bang come from? Has it always been there? Wait! That's a little religious - eternality of matter! Religion explains everything about itself in terms of religion. Again, I'm not anti-scientist, I actually plan on being one, and I think there're a lot of ways that science and religion intertwine, so please just take this as food for thought.

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    How did you logicaly come up that statment. Sorry unless you know everthing I did in my life. I like everyone else was taught evelolution in school, and even before I became a christian I fault there was something wrong with it
    Hmmm... maybe we think that because you have no idea what you are talking about and have proven that on many occasions! You've provided no counterexamples nor said anything that shows you know what evolution is about. For someone to say he studied evolution and then turn around and say "So DNA knows when it needs to change?" shows that you know nothing! DNA mutating is THE FUNDEMANTAL idea of evolution, you cannot learn evolution without first learning this! For you to not know this shows that you don't know anything about evolution and thus have no basis to argue against it. It would be like me saying that I have studied Christianity, and through my studies I have come to the conclusion that it is false because of this question "How do you know all this stuff about Christianity, what is it in a book or something?" How stupid would I sound and how could you ever possibly listen to another one of my arguments against christianity? The fact that you are arguing against something that you know nothing about bodes very poorly on every other argument that you make!

    And why did you avoid ALL of my questions this time? Still looking for that particular webpage that answers my question instead of figuring out the answers on your own? Very few of the opinions that you have stated have been your own, but instead somebody elses, and these opinions usually have nothing to do with the question asked (what usually happens when you quote somebody who the question wasn't directed to). I ask you for proof that evolution doesn't exist, you point me to a website that does indeed say evolution exists, just possibly faster. TechWins asks for an explanation as to why everything is much older than what you say, and you point us to a website that instead of answering this, instead is a debate as to what the bible meant by the word "day" - like the fact that it concludes "day" meant a solar day is gonna make us go "woah, the fact that the early bible writers really meant a solar day is all the proof I need that these mounds and mounds of scientific proof of fossils and radioactive dating are bogus!" Techwins goes on to ask what proof it is that Christians are willing to die for their beliefs when the Jews did so as well in the Holocaust and you quote a passage about Jesus conquering death which has nothing do with what he said! This is just in the last few posts, and I could pull up more examples if I dug a little deeper.

    So what honest studying have you done of other religions outside Christianity that makes you say without a doubt Christianity is the one true religion? Quite likely you have done little to none (outside what Christianity taught you that is). And why do you expect other people from other religions to automatically do the same for your religion? Your faith is why you believe, as is their faith is why they believe their religion - you would never consider questioning your faith, so why do you expect them to do so for theirs?

    And what do you have to say about radioactive dating?
    I know people from close to Thailand who are mormens.
    Buddhist are probably more accepting
    of other religions than say being christian in afganistan
    I agree that they are very accepting, but at the same time its very difficult to be against the norm there because it is so terribly against their culture to intentionally offend anyone - and Buddhism is a VERY strong belief that they have - although once they leave Thailand they have a much easier time becoming their own person.
    There is nothing wrong with that statement. It all depends
    on your vantage point
    Ok, so I guess everything in life is just a theory because we can't proove anything. I don't agree with that statement, but I can't argue with it either.

    BTW, I have nothing against what you say Nick (except for the fact that I don't agree ), you seem to know what you believe instead of just a "It's not what the bible says therefore it isn't true" belief system coupled with a few choice phrases heard from somewhere else.
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    Good point - if you look at all the religions, they're all very much the same. If you look at christianity, there's a certain degree of variation in the doctrines of each religion. It's the same outside of Christianity. I think all religions are basically the same religion, they just have different pieces. However, I'm not saying that we should all just accept every religiong. There's only one perfect way to do things, God is perfect (probably one of the few truths all religions share), and so God's religion will only be one religion. I'm not saying every religiong is wrong either. I think we should just look at every religion, see which one is closest to what we believe to be truth, and then stick with that.

    And by the way - just so everybody knows and so we can avoid confusion ( I haven't seen it come up yet, but you never know), MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS. Our proper name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We're just called Mormons beause it's a lot easier to say. Mormon was one of the Prophets in the Book of Mormon.
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    Well I didn't read all nine or so pages of this topic so I'll reply to the actual topic.


    Do you belive in god...in the entity that is the greatest ..is perfect ... Well i dont its alll just a ****ty crap ...for ignorant people
    That's a totally bias thing to say since there are probably a lot smarter people then you who believe in God. People like you make me sick.
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    Poll: Do you believe in God?

    Let's see what programmers (Community live in logical world) say:

    Do you believe in God?
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