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    The continued existence of religious morons is proof that 'survival of the fittest' is incorrect. Therefore Darwin is completely wrong and therefore there must be a God and therefore religious morons must exist.

    >Acording to most people the murder of other peopel is wrong, yet according to natual selection technicly it's right. (think: survival of the fitest)<

    Of course logic boy. The problem is that murder in may result in a death penalty or long term imprisonment in quite a few cultures. This would seem to suggest that murdering people is not a very good way to continue the propagation of your particular version of the species. Therefore I'm not sure how the dead or the long term imprisoned could be conceived of as the fittest.

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    >Well, if there really is a God then he should be forgiving enough to me since I have done no wrong to the world. I don't see how not believing in God takes away your morality so that even if there is a God you won't be forgiven?<

    Hell is the eternal seperation from god. This is what athisist want.

    >What about the historical, not religious, story about how Jesus died. Oh I do believe that there was a Jesus but just not as special as others make him out to believe. My historical understanding of how Jesus died is because the ruler of Rome at the time wanted him dead. The ruler saw that Jesus was gaining too much power in his spread of Christianity so he felt that he must kill Jesus, which obviously he did. But the kill only made Christianity more popular and the plan backfired. This seems to contradict the religious story that Jesus died to save his people. I don't know; take your pick on which one to believe.<

    The rulers of rome is not the one who wanted him dead, in fact both Pialate and Herod did not see that Jesus has commited any crimes, were presured into having him crucified.

    Your probly talking about the Priest. Yes they killed him because of there greed, and unbelive. In this they caused various Prophecies to be fulfiled.
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    seriously, fordy. you should lock this down and move it to the faq board, or make another one for ``stupid threads''
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    >Of course logic boy. The problem is that murder in may result in a death penalty or long term imprisonment in quite a few cultures. This would seem to suggest that murdering people is not a very good way to continue the propagation of your particular version of the species. Therefore I'm not sure how the dead or the long term imprisoned could be conceived of as the fittest.<

    You have missed something, entirly. It's a crime because we consider it a crime.

    The question is If there was no law, would you murder people?
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    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    >Well, if there really is a God then he should be forgiving enough to me since I have done no wrong to the world. I don't see how not believing in God takes away your morality so that even if there is a God you won't be forgiven?<

    Hell is the eternal seperation from god. This is what athisist want.
    That statement makes little sense as a response to the quote under which it lies. You'll sound much more convincing if you don't quote undirected religious waffle and instead, try and argue your point logically.

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    >You have missed something, entirly. It's a crime because we consider it a crime. <

    and it's a crime because we consider it a crime and it's a crime because we consider it's a crime.

    > The question is If there was no law, would you murder people?<

    Of course not. Unless my survival depended on it (and I had a greater desire to see my potential victims dead). This is pretty much the same as any species on the planet. The emphasis is on survival and not wiping out the opposition just for the sake of it. If any species had taken your view to the logical conclusion then by its own actions it would be bringing about its own extinction. Does the goldfish have the goldfish god to thank for giving it the temperament to live in peace with its fellow goldfish?
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    >and it's a crime because we consider it a crime and it's a crime because we consider it's a crime.<

    We made it a crime.

    >Of course not. Unless my survival depended on it (and I had a greater desire to see my potential victims dead). This is pretty much the same as any species on the planet. The emphasis is on survival and not wiping out the opposition just for the sake of it. If any species had taken your view to the logical conclusion then by its own actions it would be bringing about its own extinction. Does the goldfish have the goldfish god to thank for giving it the temperament to live in peace with its fellow goldfish?<

    You missed the point. If x person wants y persons such and such he can go out and kill him. Would you condone this action?
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    We made it a crime.
    Yes, and why is it a crime? Not because it is religiously wrong but because it is morally wrong. Morals should always come above religion, which leads me to my next point...

    Would you condone this action?
    No. The same goes to you---Would you condone this action if your religion said that it is acceptable?

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    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    >Well, if there really is a God then he should be forgiving enough to me since I have done no wrong to the world. I don't see how not believing in God takes away your morality so that even if there is a God you won't be forgiven?<

    Hell is the eternal seperation from god. This is what athisist want.
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    Originally posted by rahaydenuk
    That statement makes little sense as a response to the quote under which it lies. You'll sound much more convincing if you don't quote undirected religious waffle and instead, try and argue your point logically.
    No, rahaydenuk, is right. Sentaku, your reply made very little sense to what I wrote. Basically what I said comes down to this---shouldn't your actions in life come above your beliefs? Regardless if you believe in God or not shouldn't God forgive if you have lead a moral life? Also, no, Hell is not what I want. I don't even believe in Hell, so how could I want something that I don't even believe in?

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    >Yes, and why is it a crime? Not because it is religiously wrong but because it is morally wrong. Morals should always come above religion, which leads me to my next point...<

    Where did morals come from?

    >No. The same goes to you---Would you condone this action if your religion said that it is acceptable?<


    Love your brother as you love your self.

    >No, rahaydenuk, is right. Sentaku, your reply made very little sense to what I wrote. Basically what I said comes down to this-- -shouldn't your actions in life come above your beliefs? Regardless if you believe in God or not shouldn't God forgive if you have lead a moral life? Also, no, Hell is not what I want. I don't even believe in Hell, so how could I want something that I don't even believe in?<

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    despite my efforts it still is out of control...

    Tech, im not mad, and i was far from serious.

    whatever you are i don't hold it against you.

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    >You missed the point. If x person wants y persons such and such he can go out and kill him. Would you condone this action?<

    Well I have animals killed so that I can eat them so in some ways I do. But I have fellow humans to help me if ever the cows take up arms. I'm not murdering for no reason; but because I enjoy the taste of these animals.

    Other humans have friends/family that may get a bit ........ed off if I go and murder them (they might try and murder me back). After a while these humans may form larger groups because they offer greater protection (especially from the cows). This group of people may form rules to follow so that someone joining this group knows what they're getting themselves into. These rules may promote the benefit of joining a large group (they may even add some spiritual mumbo jumbo to spice things up a little). One of these rules might be that no-one within the group may murder each other without the big group chiefs say-so. After a while the group may form large societies and form complex laws to protect the members of the group and ensure that they're (to some degree) looking after each other.

    No amoeba is an island (maybe, that should read pack animal).

    >despite my efforts it still is out of control...<

    What is out of control?
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    And besides, all religion is there for is to cause wars.

    Never,EVER has there been a more 'used' excuse to go to war.

    Funnily enough it is the cause of (most) all our wars now.

    No one can deny (probably dare not) deny the existence of god....likewise nobody can disprove it.

    So, what do you do?

    You certainly dont go 'banging' on about the points raised from the bible....again, it cannot be proved or disproved-unless you were living in those times!

    So lets all be happy.
    Such is life.

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    > You don't get to heaven by deads.

    No? How does it happen then? Do I have to sign some sort of contract? Sell a kidney?

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    Originally posted by Govtcheez
    > You don't get to heaven by deads.

    No? How does it happen then? Do I have to sign some sort of contract? Sell a kidney?
    Maybe it has to do with post counts
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    >Well I have animals killed so that I can eat them so in some ways I do. But I have fellow humans to help me if ever the cows take up arms. I'm not murdering for no reason; but because I enjoy the taste of these animals.<

    Killing and murder are not the same thing.

    >Other humans have friends/family that may get a bit ........ed off if I go and murder them (they might try and murder me back). After a while these humans may form larger groups because they offer greater protection (especially from the cows). This group of people may form rules to follow so that someone joining this group knows what they're getting themselves into. These rules may promote the benefit of joining a large group (they may even add some spiritual mumbo jumbo to spice things up a little). One of these rules might be that no-one within the group may murder each other without the big group chiefs say-so. After a while the group may form large societies and form complex laws to protect the members of the group and ensure that they're (to some degree) looking after each other.<
    How would I become chief say-so? Easy by killing chief say so. Chief Say-so is Chief say-so because he is the strongest, and the other people want to be under his protection so to speak.

    >And besides, all religion is there for is to cause wars.
    Never,EVER has there been a more 'used' excuse to go to war.
    Funnily enough it is the cause of (most) all our wars now.<
    And science invented every last weapon.
    I shall call egypt the harmless dragon

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