Cgawd

theres no such thing as a god and religion is fake. IMO

Sang-drax

Modern physics theories are inconsistent with the thought of an omniscient God.

Stephen Hawking writes this in his book The universe in a nutshell regarding the uncertainty principle:
So, either you belive in modern science, or you belive in God. Beliving in both is a contradiction.

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Cgawd

thats true, and think about it,if you didnt believe in modern science that would be believing that birds dont fly, water is actually air and the skies color comes from gods breath or something stupid, either youre ignorant/insane and believe in god, or your smart and practical like stephen hawking and believe in modern science

Nick

No, really I don't have any blood on my genes.

Cgawd

jeans? or genetics?

Nick

Your proof has many flaws... QM is not generally believed to be
the final theory of how the universe works.

Believing in science is saying that the mathematical
models that result follow nature. I don't see how
this contradicts believe in god who created the natural
laws.

Cgawd

so you throw in some circular reasoning to try to make us believe in what you do. Its just not real. face it

Clyde

To recap:

From a purely rational point of view belief in God is farcial for arguments i have outlined (ie. lack of evidence).

Independently God seems at odds with the findings of modern science: Deterministic laws govern everything observeable in the universe, if there was a God we would expect to see his presence in the findings of science: We do not.

Independently the "God model" is internally inconsistent: an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent God is starkly at odds with the vengefull, egotistical, inferiority complex God presented in the bible.

It is also extremely externally inconsistent: The perfect God would produce the perfect creation; a perfect craftsman produces the perfect craft....... the world is certainly not perfect. Why for example (and i can give many many more) is it that the digger wasp and its cousin Ichneumonidae reproduce by paralysing a catapiller then laying its eggs into its body only for them to hatch and then eat there way out of their helpless host?

(Ichneumonidae lead Darwin to lose his faith for precisely this reason "I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars")

From a psychological/anthropological view we can rationalise very well why religion and religious views exist. In addition and supporting this we can see that the correlation between religious beliefs and religious upbringing is so strong that religion to all extenses and purposes can be viewed as a cultural phenomenon.

Clyde

"No, really I don't have any blood on my genes."

What?

Nick

The monsters of old and of new will not fear god. Why not
speed up evolution and kill those who are genetically
weak? It's more benificial for society right?

Nick

Actually god is portrayed as being kind and forgiving in the
bible. You are mislead of the goodness of god just as Eve was.

Clyde

"The monsters of old and of new will not fear god. Why not
speed up revolution and kill those who are genetically
weak? It's more benificial for society right?"

What the hell are you talking about?

The point you replied to was demonstrating the foolishness of the "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" argument.

Nick

I misspelled evolution.
Lack of responsibility is worse than lack of evidence.

lightatdawn

It all comes back to my previous statement: If you have no counter argument, stop responding instead with unrelated nonsense!

This is getting very irritating. Its like talking to a random word generator.

>>You are mislead of the goodness of god just as Eve was.

Gotcha... Slaughter and sacrifice can so easily be misleading. And here I thought all that stuff was bad! What was I thinking?

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Clyde

"Actually god is portrayed as being kind and forgiving in the
bible"

Indeed he is, which is why theres contradiction with the stuff he's said to have done/said.

Wipe out all the life on Earth bar Noah's family and a few other animals, sadistically make Issac think he's got to sacrifice his son. (God's omniscient right, so why the hell did he have to put Issac through that? Kicks?)

and of course the gazillions of quotes available at http://www.religionisbull****.com/not_true.htm

Including:

EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.

"Exodus 21
20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. "


NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command.

"The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death
32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses. "

and many many more.