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    > I already know my beliefs are right (to me), so there's no need for me to argue.

    Well said.

    Whether or not your beliefs agree with mine, (in this case, they do, but I'd say the same if anyone else posted it) that's always gonna be true.

    Y'know what be hilarious? I'd love someone to find a testimonial on the web "I was converted to/from religion because of a thread on a programming board!".

    Adrian's right - this thread will go bad in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1....

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    Do you believe in Goodness and in Evil? If you say
    there's no God then what makes a deed good another
    deed bad?

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    > Do you believe in Goodness and in Evil?

    What, as traits inherent to some action? Not really. Circumstances dictate whether an action is good or bad - I don't think there's any higher power that has two piles full of actions.

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    I'm still struggling with the idea that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Who is that fat guy with the red suit and the huge snowy beard that I see in December every year, Charlton Heston?

    Anyway, cprog has enough deities: Quzah (God) and Prelude (Code Goddess). Beyond them is the Creator-Webmaster with his holy host of angelic and arch-angelic Moderators. To suggest that any others exist beyond this divine pantheon is quite frankly heretical and I believe, as a devout Cproggian, that the moderators should blow loud tumpets in the heathen ears of all unbelievers and brand their bare bottoms with STFU.

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    Circumstances dictate whether an action is good or bad.
    Maybe I didn't express it clear enough. What I meant was
    how do you tell (by circumstance) if something is good or
    evil. You could cop out and say that there is no good and
    evil but then why do most people see Hitler as being evil?
    You can keep chaining the events until you getsomething
    like it's bad to kill people. You can't argue any further
    and you will have to admit that your concience sees
    this as being evil.

    Another way you could try to argue is that our concience
    was created by evolution. Species with "bad" conciences
    would kill themself's off. So there there is a strugle between
    the facts: there is no God and our instinct.

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    > What I meant was how do you tell (by circumstance) if something is good or evil.

    Yeah, that's actually what I got the first tiem I read your post, but I realized I didn't actually answer the question... My fault, not yours. Anyways, you tell by what you've been taught and what you've taken from that (IMHO). If a person is raised his whole life to think people with blue shoes are terrible and should be killed, I believe that's what'd happen - they'd take what they've learned and put it into action.

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    I think we should ban religious crusade threads.......or maybe we should create a "I know I'm right - to hell with you all!" board where you can discuss (/I can ignore) all these discussions. More themes for my new board;

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    Taling about the bible ..okay how is it possible that 5 people not all men take care of more thant 10 thousand species of animals on a ship that was large enoght to carry those animals, amount of food ,cleaning the of the animal ..i mean 5 people give food, clean , do there own stuff in one day they were able to do it ...think about it is it possible ...*Sheesh*.I hope we do have some guys in this world with brain ..Some ones previous post on this board said that the bible was created for a reason why would some one write about it if it was fake ..right

    Well simple greek methology ??? Harry porter lol

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    Originally posted by Govtcheez
    > What I meant was how do you tell (by circumstance) if something is good or evil.

    Yeah, that's actually what I got the first tiem I read your post, but I realized I didn't actually answer the question... My fault, not yours. Anyways, you tell by what you've been taught and what you've taken from that (IMHO). If a person is raised his whole life to think people with blue shoes are terrible and should be killed, I believe that's what'd happen - they'd take what they've learned and put it into action.
    WOW ...my kinda thinking are e related lol
    "I wish i could wish my wishs away"

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    However, just to remind you, just assume that there IS REALLY a God then you have been living on the wrong side of life for your previous years.
    Well, if there really is a God then he should be forgiving enough to me since I have done no wrong to the world. I don't see how not believing in God takes away your morality so that even if there is a God you won't be forgiven?

    Another point to argue against atheist is that the reason most people who don't believe in God or any religions is because they haven't encountered any major breakdown or such cases in life.
    Technically my family never has been very religious or anything but we always believed in God. It wasn't until these past few years that I stopped believing in God. None of it seems possible or true to me. I should note that the rest of my family is still Christian.

    1. I've read the entire new testement, and so far have read a good section of the old and so far nothing that is scientific fact not theory conflicts with the bibble.
    What about the historical, not religious, story about how Jesus died. Oh I do believe that there was a Jesus but just not as special as others make him out to believe. My historical understanding of how Jesus died is because the ruler of Rome at the time wanted him dead. The ruler saw that Jesus was gaining too much power in his spread of Christianity so he felt that he must kill Jesus, which obviously he did. But the kill only made Christianity more popular and the plan backfired. This seems to contradict the religious story that Jesus died to save his people. I don't know; take your pick on which one to believe.

    Also, PJYelton brought up a good point that the Bible doesn't go as far back as history does. In the Bible it says that the world wasn't created until what year? Isn't it like 2,000bc or something close to that? Well, either way it doesn't go as far back as history has proven that this world goes back. Like PJYelton said, is this supposed to be a literal interpretation or not? If it's supposed to be just a metophor should the rest of the bible be taken as a metaphor?

    But like I said, it's all a matter of what you want to believe.

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    >It amazes me that primitive superstitions like gods, spirits, souls, witches and so on survive in this day and age. The world will be a much better place when everyone can see these things for what they are.<

    My sister is a witch (for real). Second lack of scienific fact of existance does not been scientific proof of non-existance. You can't prove to me that there is no God, or I don't have a soul. Nor can I prove that I do.


    >Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?<

    1. Simple the knowledge of good and evil can not be seperated because the knowledge of one automaticly gives you knowledge of the other.

    2. If God was to prevent you from doing evil then you have no free will.

    3. God does not want to destoy you, he wants you to repent.

    >I don't think he is saying that the bible contradicts science, but instead was used to explain things that at the time couldn't be explained.

    The ancients didn't understand how volcanoes worked, so voila, they created a god that worked in a volcano. In the bibles time people didn't understand eclipses, so suddenly the story becomes "God is angry with us for being such bad sinners so he took away our sun!"<

    Your confusing the Church with the bible. There is no evidence that God causes every volcano erruption, every solor eclipse, ect. Gods mirricles are
    1. Anything that is not of this world- causing rivers to stop flowing.

    3. Natural disasters- most of the time there were much greater then normal natural disasters.

    >I'm curious though if most christians here believe that much of the bible is a metaphor or if it is to be taken literally 100%. Like for example evolution/dinosaurs/world being much older than what the bible portrays, etc...<
    Evolution and creation both are theroy with both having evidence to support them. Neither can be said to be fact.

    >Yeah, that's actually what I got the first tiem I read your post, but I realized I didn't actually answer the question... My fault, not yours. Anyways, you tell by what you've been taught and what you've taken from that (IMHO). If a person is raised his whole life to think people with blue shoes are terrible and should be killed, I believe that's what'd happen - they'd take what they've learned and put it into action.<

    Ok think about this

    Natual Selection and what socity views as wrong are in direct oppisite of each other. Acording to most people the murder of other peopel is wrong, yet according to natual selection technicly it's right. (think: survival of the fitest)

    Note: There are same people who go against sociaty and do what is evil and sinful. This is free will.


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    I will pay 1000000 zorkmids to anybody who will discover a one-shot, surefire method of killing a religion discussion thread in one post.
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    There is no point in trying to prove a religion. The whole concept of religion is faith. Since faith is blind, there is no point in even trying to prove a religion. One can believe what they want to believe.

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    Originally posted by ggs
    I will pay 1000000 zorkmids to anybody who will discover a one-shot, surefire method of killing a religion discussion thread in one post.
    Easy...I could just delete 'em

    Where's my zorkmids?

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    errr... well, how about a level-12 tourist instead? it's hard to get that many zorkmids

    and you'll need to give me a day for the tourist. ;p
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