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    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    So thus "logicaly" you must conclude I have nothing hanging on my wall, witch is wrong.
    No, we would logically conclude that we do not know what is hanging on your wall, just as we would logically conclude that we have no evidence for or against a god, but it is nevertheless improbable that such a thing exists and thus illogical to believe that such a thing exists (without obtaining some form of evidence, which we are yet to experience).

    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    yet until science can prove that somethign exisit it does not.
    No, but until you have evidence that something does exist, it is illogical to believe that it does purely on the basis that you want it to exist.

    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    If large group of people wonderd in the desert for 40 years and then near the end of your journey the leader wrote down everything that happend if what they said was not true what do you think would happen? Expeicaly when this large group is often not potraid in a good light..
    I don't know exactly what you're trying to get at here, but just because some people are said in a book to have walked through a desert for 40 years, does by no means mean they actually did. Even if they did, are you telling me that you can except whatever this leader writes down as the truth?

    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    Question Cyde How many weopons did Relgion Create?
    Religion, itself may not have reached out and crafted the weapons with its own hands, but it was the fuel for many wars, which in turn were the fuel for the development of many of these weapons.

    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    Second question how many of this actions are supported by the Bible?
    It has no real relevance what the bible says; religion was (and still is) the fuel of hatred for the majority of wars and acts of terrorism going on in the world today, whether the bible directly supports it or not.

    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    Love your neighbor as you love yourself: This is how christians are supose to act how do you love your neighbor by telling him they must die?
    Exactly, religion as it exists today (and has existed for many years) is self-contradictory.
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    Religion, itself may not have reached out and crafted the weapons with its own hands, but it was the fuel for many wars, which in turn were the fuel for the development of many of these weapons.
    I can't vouch for other religions but christianity is clearly
    against war.

    Religion, itself may not have reached out and crafted the weapons with its own hands, but it was the fuel for many wars, which in turn were the fuel for the development of many of these weapons.
    Wars are not caused by religion. Human greed, pride and fear are root causes. The people commiting these otrocities
    are using religion as an excuse.

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    this is getting out of hand,

    Cyde, you believe it is illogical, therefore you have faith in that logic, you percieve that you logic is better than others, therefore you dispute their beliefs of their logic as rubbish. you see what I'm saying? not that your wrong, nor that your right. but that because you believe you are right, you refute others beliefs as unscientifical. your problem mostly is you combine every religion and attack it, this is the equivilent of attacking the words of every scientist that ever lived, and because one was wrong, refuting the idea of science.

    logic, as you have assumed, gives us the best possible answer, this is not always the correct one. what logic dictates means nothing. what is actually correct is all that matters.

    just curious, how did you logicaly conclude there was no god?
    if a contradiction was contradicted would that contradition contradict the origional crontradiction?

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    quote:
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    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    Love your neighbor as you love yourself: This is how christians are supose to act how do you love your neighbor by telling him they must die?
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    Exactly, religion as it exists today (and has existed for many years) is self-contradictory
    oh ye of little logic

    logic would then dictate that the ones threatning with death are then not christians. theyare using the name of religion for the gain of power, money, wealth, and fame.
    if a contradiction was contradicted would that contradition contradict the origional crontradiction?

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    >what is actually correct is all that matters.

    Yes, but do you know something the rest of us don't.

    >just curious, how did you logicaly conclude there was no god?<

    I can't speak for Clyde, but there is no God because there exists no means for scientifically proving God exists. How else are we to logically conclude anything? Do you want to hear 'Lack of disproof does not constitute proof' over and over again ? What part of this reasoning don't you understand?
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    Originally posted by Dissata
    just curious, how did you logicaly conclude there was no god?
    I don't think Clyde is concluding that there is definitely no god, but just that it is illogical to believe in one. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Clyde.

    There is no solid evidence for or against a god, so we cannot say for definite that such a thing does or does not exist. BUT, it is still illogical to believe in such a thing without evidence to back that belief up. It is akin to believing that there is a pink teddy bear at the centre of the galaxy, just because there is currently no solid evidence against that. When you have no evidence, logic can only rely on how probable something is.
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    lack of evidence then logicaly would conclude evolution does not exists. since believe it or not, they hold just about the same quantity of proof as each other.

    proof of god.

    1)
    Genetic code perfected almost 4 billion years ago. just a few million years after the first organism. much to little time to evolve.
    implying that the genetic code already existed before the first organisms

    2) the lack of evidence that this so called evolution breeched species. (all it was was natural selection throughout history from many different allready existing species. supposedly)

    proof for evolution.

    1) provides a basis as to the natural selection of monkeys. a reason our Dna is so closely matched.

    2) protien chains, though not usable for any form of life, have been, in controlled conditions, and in semi-unrealistic, yet possible environment, have been created.


    food for thought.

    The Universe is not eternal. there had to have been something first, to create the energy, or at least replenish the kenetic energy that is lost after time. what caused the beginning of the universe? once what, how? once how or who, what was there first and how did it get there.
    if a contradiction was contradicted would that contradition contradict the origional crontradiction?

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    lack of evidence then logicaly would conclude evolution does not exists. since believe it or not, they hold just about the same quantity of proof as each other.
    So? WTF has this got to do with proving god exists? Stop treating everthing like a religion.

    food for thought.
    In your dreams.

    The Universe is not eternal. there had to have been something first, to create the energy, or at least replenish the kenetic energy that is lost after time. what caused the beginning of the universe? once what, how? once how or who, what was there first and how did it get there.
    Yes and it was the schizophrenic god Jehovah you gave birth to the militant Jew who founded an apocalypse cult. I'm sure your aided leaps of imagination are well founded.
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    Originally posted by Dissata
    food for thought.

    The Universe is not eternal. there had to have been something first, to create the energy, or at least replenish the kenetic energy that is lost after time. what caused the beginning of the universe? once what, how? once how or who, what was there first and how did it get there.
    You are assuming that the universe did begin. Who's to say that it hasn't existed for an infinite period of time? You are just used to things with beginnings and ends, as most probably everything you've ever encountered has a beginning and an end. You need to 'look outside of the box'.

    Also, modern scientific belief states that energy cannot be destroyed (lost), it can merely be converted between different forms.
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    I don't think that Sentaku has the logical capacity to understand what you are trying to tell him, clyde, and so your very valid arguements are being pretty much ignored, or deflected and refracted by his shell of inability.

    oh and
    just because you have been told for your whole life that God exists doesn't mean that he did or does. much akin to the fact that you could go your whole life thinking, due to a bad teacher/big misunderstanding, that inertia is a force, when in fact we have NO idea what inertia is, just a name for it.

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    A perfect example of pride causing war.

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    A perfect example of pride causing war.
    Is this promoting religious argument through pseudo-religious proverbial bull****?? Or are you really trying to make a point here?

    I'll ask as a humble person -

    Can you prove the existence of god?

    *long live amateur dramatics*
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    Is this promoting religious argument through pseudo-religious proverbial bull****?? Or are you really trying to make a point here?
    Just that human knowledge has it's limitations.
    Most athiest have a certain type of pride in believing that everyone else who believes in a god is total idiot.

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    Just that human knowledge has it's limitations.
    Most athiest have a certain type of pride in believing that everyone else who believes in a god is total idiot.
    I agree with your first point....

    but...

    it's through limited humans that your god has shown itself. How does our limitations prove that you are correct. It's insanity.

    Either we have proof that your god exists or we don't. Do you agree? Does pride affect this?
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    Either we have proof that your god exists or we don't. Do you agree? Does pride affect this?
    Belief that human knowlege could prove the existance of
    god only if that god really exists. The statement
    was directed towards Aran Elus.

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