Yes, I 100% agree. I brought this up in the origional thread. I also concluded that the measurement is completely physically impossible, regardless of any sort of super new technology in any field of measurement. The reasons for this are the reasons you bring up regarding the act of measuring, altering the data it attempts to collect.Chaos theory is not "real" randomness, its simply a measurement problem, it is inherently impossible to measure a chaotic system accurately enough to predict it long term, to do so would require an infinite number of infinitely accurate measurements, however as i said its not "real" randomness, there is no uncertainty in the values themselves merely in our ability to measure them.
The other point is that the "machine" which is supposed to calculate this is also physically impossible, regardless of any kind of new technology we dont have today (it would have to measure itself which would require an infinite machine). The only point I tried to nail down with that thread, is that there truely is no random elements to the universe. That if this purely theoretical unit could obtain all the data in the universe, without affecting said data, than it could calculate future events without flaw.
My argument is that the universe could not exist if there was any kind of random element to it. If identical actions were not always equal, the results of this at the atomic level would become catastrophic on the larger scale.
In an attempt to bandage my concience at redirecting this thread (despite its repetetetetive and unenlightened nature), I will bring this concept back to the one at hand. I put forward that if there were some "higher being" somehow existing outside of our universe, that any interfearance of this being would be a totally random element. i.e. An action that would not yield an identical result from an identical action. ... I've never seen or heard evidence of this occuring.