Microsoft with complete control????

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    The majority of computer users and computer programers have never known anything other than Microsoft. Those individuals are not capable of empathy toward something outside of their experience. If you want to understand my point of view than download and install Mandrake 9.0. Come back here and than have an intelligent opinion on this subject.
    i have used SEVERAL non MS operating systems man. Seeing as how my g/f, a literal windows programmer, tells me this is bs and aint going to happen, i feel that my opinion is not only intelligent, but far more likely then any of the bs this thread is spilling.

    Microsoft wouldn't do it, they can't do it, and they're NOT doing it.

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    Why is Palladium posted all over the Microsoft website?

    http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/f...alladiumwp.asp

    or

    http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/F...1palladium.asp

    It looks to me that Microsoft users have no choice but to adopt this technology.

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    Well it looks like MS wants to own the net.. and it wants to own everything related to computers.... Well i am sure if this happened.. add on chips will be released which can be soldered to the motherboard to overcome the palladium issue.. See what happened to Xbox ant piracy feature.. A chip soldered on it... the xbox could even run linux...

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    Microsoft has big a lot of money. It is able to force the hardware manufacturer to add this hardware to their line of microprocessors. Unfortunately every other corporation is forced to adopt Microsoft specific hardware. It is very sad, but not at all surprising to individuals who are educated.

    Linux will have to do two things. They will have to adopt Palladium into their own system, and they will also have to use more non-intel based hardware architectures (a good thing in the long run).

    The plan of Microsoft is to stifle competition because it requires money power in order to purchase licenses to play DVD movies and use other third party tools. They don't want Linux users to have this functionality. The sad thing is that they are doing this under the guise that it is good for the general public, however the reality is that it is good only for a few Oligarchies.

    I am a supporter of the distributed computing model and I have faith in my own knowledge and ability to understand how systems are constructed. Eventually I can build my own, and above all I would like to see open standards. This is something that is actually needed by the computer industry because it would serve more than just one single corporation. I'm very please that the technology industry is not performing well. This provides an environment for improved products and services. You can throw money around and struggle to hold onto a monopoly, however you can not stifle knowledge and freedom, forever.

    I already told you guys how Microsoft is a monopoly. They were the first to capitalize on the home market for PC's. Now they are using their economic power to keep competitors out of the industry. The only way into the industry is to offer a free operating system. The biggest problem with Linux is that it is too complex. It will take some time to educate the public how to use it. Most of the people over 35 years old will never be computer literate enough to use a system like Linux. It is a better system though, it's better technology. We'll be seeing a lot more of it in the future.

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    I didn't say it wans't being done, i'm saying it won't give them complete control, if u actually read the article under the first link u will notice this:

    "Palladium" is an opt-in system.

    "Palladium" is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the "Palladium" hardware and software features turned off. The user of the system can choose to simply stay with this default setting, leaving all "Palladium"-related capabilities (hardware and software) disabled.

    Turning "Palladium" completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which prevents any software from turning it back on. Users have the ultimate control over their systems and their information; "Palladium" does not entail any global requirements.


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    This is how it always starts.

    default off,
    but what they fail to mention is that if its off your out of the loop(can't access any other palladium system(ie. off the net))! you can't be authenticated, because your a security risk.

    how long do you think that will last? 'we can't have all these "Security Risks" running around reaking havoc!! even if they don't know their doing it!'

    as i said its a gradual step by step process! look at how governments gain control of citizens! slowly step by step, and all in the name of security.

    >Seeing as how my g/f, a literal windows programmer

    she literally codes on the OS?!
    honestly, im impressed.

    but, i doubt the higher ups tell them anything more than they tell us or absolutly have to. What i see is what i see, they've made the announcements, logical consequences have been drawn.

    CORPORATIONS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. Corperations bow solely to the will of the share holders, who's only interest is MONEY, the less choice you have, the more money/power they have, and the same applies to Government. The world revolves with singly driven purpose. Truth is the only obstacle.

    nobody wants to believe it, but then no one can deny it.

    what i say sometimes scares me! simply because it is the truth, and that i never thought to hear myself say such things, because when i heard others say them, i too thought they we're crazy.

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    >Seeing as how my g/f, a literal windows programmer

    she literally codes on the OS?!
    honestly, im impressed.

    but, i doubt the higher ups tell them anything more than they tell us or absolutly have to. What i see is what i see, they've made the announcements, logical consequences have been drawn.
    i didn't mean girl friend, i mean grandfather. And yes hes one of the many who actually code the windows operating system. Usually he knows whats going on because, well they make what god bill wants come to life.

    I'm not saying it will never be full-on, i'm saying theres a window for hardware manufacturers to develop the workarounds and maybe save 25% of the users.

    Seeing as how MS is obviously taking over the computer industry, i think i'll stay with them for both my o/s and my programming, simply because i would rather have a wealthy and successful carreer then be a gorilla against microsoft.

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    >i didn't mean girl friend, i mean grandfather.

    sorry, my mistake.

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    i'm saying theres a window for hardware manufacturers to develop the workarounds and maybe save 25% of the users.
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    they have the capability, but will they use it? how sweet is the pot?

    my estimation is that they will make exceptions in the beginning for Linux, Apples, and previous versions of Windows, and slowly try to phase them out completely or into using palladium.



    finally, my sincerest hope is that they will not and i am wrong, and a raving lunatic, who has bought the jumbo size conspiracy bulloni, but unfortunatly i doubt that this is the case.

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    Thoughts on MS...

    This is what I see happening. MS ships Palladium and the chip makers AMD and Intel ship their processors that support Palladium. People who are not educated on DRM/Palladium go out and buy that fantastic speedy machine they have been wanting. It's turned off by default. MS gives you a little splash screen advertising Palladium is available and tells you why you should turn it on. Uneducated grandma says "Wow, securing my computer...that sounds like a wonderful idea." Then you have the people who decide not to. But you know what happens there? MS ships their next version of DirectX. Game makers decide they are going to develop with it. But low and behold...you have to run in the secure environment forced by the API. So Unreal Tournament 2099 comes out and you have to have Palladium enabled to play it. Think that's far fetched? Think again. Creative labs already announced DRM support in their hardware. Toshiba and Sony are supporting it. Intel and AMD already announced that future processors will ship with Palladium support.

    It's scary. Longhorn(the next OS which will possibly have Palladium...) isn't due out till around 2004/2005 but the amount of companies signing on already to get involved is truly scary.

    I've worked for MS for the last 2 years and I think the company has a lot of good and bad(can you say WinME?) products. But when the DRM stuff starts going out the door(Media Player 9 and Media Center actually already have it...) I think I will jump ship. If people want DRM to die then they are going to have to refuse to support it. But that's going to be a tough fight. Hopefully one that won't be lost.


    My 2 cents. Sorry for the rambling.

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    I wish my girl was a MS windows programmer, i'd make her tell me how to kill all its problems or no sex...

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    I'm afraid that there is no such thing as a Microsoft Windows programmer. It just about learning how to use their tools.

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    ok, so we've established that "Captain" is Troll_King and I believe "SBob" is also. Was the name Troll_King banned or is this just his way of lying low for a while?

    On the post itself, if you create programs using an API or not you are still a programmer.

    On the topic, I wouldn't worry so much about palladium. It seems very much to be an added feature and not a problem.
    "You are stupid! You are stupid! Oh, and don't forget, you are STUPID!" - Dexter

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    I'm afraid that there is no such thing as a Microsoft Windows programmer.

    Yea your right there isn't, windows o/s fell out of gates's ass.

    Thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard man.

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    Originally posted by FillYourBrain
    ok, so we've established that "Captain" is Troll_King and I believe "SBob" is also.
    Actually...no

    SBob is someone else.....

    "I know who but I wont tell"


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    *COUGH* FORDY *COUGH*

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