Tried as an adult

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    Dunno if this has been posted yet but they have a poll about the killing on www.cnn.com

    I'm surprised. I haven't seen this big of a lopsided result in awhile. Truly a sad case with no winners.
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    I'm not, the media hasn't been stressing the diffrent ages of the kids. The 17-18 year olds should be tried as adults.
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    But no matter who you're talking about I don't understand why they must be killed to ensure the saftey of everyone else. Why not life? Society is just as safe if the person soends their life in prison, and it is cheaper.
    Because last year a prisoner escaped by killing a guard, murdered a grandma to get her car, choked a girl ( just because he felt like it ) and seriously wounded two officers when he was caught. Is there any reason not to put him to death ? He killed once, he escaped taking another 3 lives and all he got was back to jail ? This is not monopoly. You kill, you pay. And I'll support anyone who will make damned sure this guy will never kill again. No matter how.
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    Well, that's an argument for more secure prisons, not the death penalty. By the same rationale, since innocent people are inevitably killed under the death penalty, the death penalty should be abolished.
    I've got no problem locking violent criminals away, but killing people who aren't a threat (locked up means they can't hurt you) is wrong and no better than the criminals.
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    Granted it is possible that prisonre's can espcape. But in the US I haven't heard of a violent criminal esacping in a while...
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    ... our prisons are so comfy/cozy, why would some of these people want to break out? Prison life for them is better than what awaits them outside the walls.

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    Well, if you believe that, try a vacation there.
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    I'm not saying it's better than my life... but there are those in poverty who would have a better life in prison; So why break out?

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    This subject, I feel is extremely important. How should we treat our criminals?! What I would like to see, is not a death penalty, but a reversable removal from society. I would enamour the day when civilised society took it's worst prisoners and made them suffer the consequenses, and I mean CONSEQUENCES of their actions.

    This is my '2 cents'. Lets, have prisons that take those disgusting lifeforms which run our streets, deprive our people of the freedom they deserve and lets put them in a cell indefinitely. And I mean indefinitely!! Callous butchers who have no regard for the sanctity of human life, themselves have no right to enjoy the fruits of our freedom. These people must be removed in order to protect every man, woman and child who strives to lead a decent, caring and considerate excistence. I, in my country, would welcome the introduction of 'ultimate inprisonment' where those convicted, by a fair trial, of murder, would be imprisoned 24 hours a day for the rest of their entire life. They simply do not deserve, and should not be awarded the wonderful life that we, in the civilised west are afforded.

    Now lets move to minors. Minors are influenced by us. If we allow Eminem to spew foul language, obsenities and stories of rape and murder then what can we expect of our future population? Young people subconciously absorb everything that goes on around them and respond accordingly, that is why we owe them a decent example.

    I just got back from a club. Inside was played Eminem. It may seem like I focus on him too much but lets be frank, he influences poeple in a way that simply, is wrong. It is time to stop this education of fear and harm, such as eminem preaches and begin real education. Not education about money and power, but education about respect and consideration for other people.

    Don't get me wrong, I feel extremly angry when I hear that the Bulger killers are to be released at 18 years old as if nothing ever happened, but I believe that prevention is far better than cure.

    Executing someone for murder is justifiable in a society such as ours but would it not be better to prevent it from happening in the first place? Let's learn from our mistakes, those mistakes created by pure greed and selfishness. Why is the playstation more important in our society than love for one's siblings, or the consideration for our neighbours?

    Numnerous cases of teenage violence have been argued in the above thread but ultimately children are influenced by everyone. That means the parents, the film stars, the WWF wrestlers......everyone!! And until society sets a superb example to it's offspring then we really are in no position to complain about their behaviour!!

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    people forget how stupid and impressionable the average teenager actually is.

    I have some close friends and we are really reasonable people with realistic goals and a no BS approach to life.

    There are many stupid teenagers that were brought up wrong that just plague society from the day that they enter school up to the day they get tossed in jail for doing something wrong and getting caught.

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    Wow, I just read my last post. I was battered last night when I wrote that!! About 8 pints worth......boy am I hungover this morning though!!!!

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    Originally posted by BMJ
    I'm not saying it's better than my life... but there are those in poverty who would have a better life in prison; So why break out?
    Well, find some poor people (shouldn't be too hard) and ask them if they'd rather be in prison. If you were poor, would you rather be there? Not me.
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    actually some people do start riots when they are about to be realeased so they will have more time in their, when people have spent years in prision it is the only way they no how to live, if they are freed then will likly just go on commiting crimes untill they are caught angain and they don't even care. The fact is, improsionment makes people more likly to commit another crime so really the only good it does is keep them out of socities hair for a short time. About the death penalty, it really is imposible to determine who "deserves it" and who doesn't, although it is not a big deal, to give someone 6 weeks in prison when they deserved 5, giving someone death when the deserved it is horibly wrong and irreversible. There have been a number of people who are inosent who were put to death and because of that the death penalty should be outlawed. About being children being tried as adults, I think their age should be taken into consideration just like anything else, your brain does not fully develope untill 25 and until then there still is chance for rehab. Remember that the US is one of the few countries that refused to outlaw the child death penalty. Personally I belive that the reason that many people belive in such harsh criminal "justice" is that they don't care if inosents are killed because they belive it will lower the odds of them being killed which is all that matters to them. They figure they are over 18 anyway so the law doesn't benifit them so why keep it. Not that I am saying all of you are like that but I think many may be.

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    The fact is, improsionment makes people more likly to commit another crime so really the only good it does is keep them out of socities hair for a short time.
    That's interesting. I would like to see some data on that...

    About the death penalty, it really is imposible to determine who "deserves it" and who doesn't, although it is not a big deal, to give someone 6 weeks in prison when they deserved 5, giving someone death when the deserved it is horibly wrong and irreversible
    It is impossible to determine anything with 100% accuracy, isnt't it? You are right, it is horrible to execute an innocent person; and our justice is designed so that the number of innocents punished is minimized, at a cost of increasing the number of guilty persons that go free. But are you seriously suggesting reforming the system so that it is utterly impossible that any innocents are punished?

    Personally I belive that the reason that many people belive in such harsh criminal "justice" is that they don't care if inosents are killed because they belive it will lower the odds of them being killed which is all that matters to them.
    That is ridiculous. Almost everybody cares if "inosents are killed"-the people who don't are psychotics. So are you blaming people who are want to make it less likely that they or their sons or daughters will be killed? Yeah, I admit it, something is wrong with those people...why do YOU want dangerous criminals to be locked up? Is the main reason abstract ideals such as justice, or is it so you and your kin and your community won't be damaged?

    Call me an old-fashioned religious nut, but I think this conversation demonstrates some of the reasons that Western civilization is decaying. Above, I used the word psychotic reflexively. Our society is so incredibly fixated on evading blame. We use "egoist" instead of vain, etc. It's not anybody's fault. It's their father's, or society's. We're turning into a nation of victims (I think that's a book, in fact). We're gradually abandoning old values and institutions that have been venerated for thousands of years, such as the family and the moral order. I'll be surprised if I'm not mocked for this.
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    I can't argue with this. I think all options should be open for those 14 and 15 year olds especially.
    Just look at our school system. We shut doors on a
    huge segment of our population.

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