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This is a discussion on professional or not ? within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; so dean, you help people who don't know what they want? interesting. The reason nobody talks about "solutions" and other ...

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    so dean, you help people who don't know what they want? interesting. The reason nobody talks about "solutions" and other marketing buzz-words around here is that they are all programmers with very literal, logical minds and the hypothetical nonsense you've been spouting is of no importance to them. There's nothing wrong with that way of thinking. You really should realize that and stop trying to change us into you.
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    From what I've seen of your code and general thinking, your doing okay, and you are not shoving a knife into yourself as much as I thought you would, however you have much growing to do and I think that you will realize that you will have to change several of your strategies in time.

    If you were wondering what a solution was, than it is a generic term for an application. A system is a solution as well but it is designed to support higher level solutions (Driven top down by high level logic business and domain requirements). In most cases when I use the word solution it is an application that is leveraging one or more systems.
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    you see, that's why you aren't getting it. We ALL know what "solutions" is but we don't use the term because we know it's just a buzz-word. It's popular to people who don't really know what they are talking about. Marketing people. You're the one who's always ranting about how people shouldn't be slaves to marketing and you're acting just like one of them!

    As far as changing my strategies. My strategies change per-project. I happen to hang out here because my job is C/C++ programming in Win32. That's where I'm focussed because IT'S MY JOB. You don't need to teach these people dean. Many of them know quite a bit more than you think. That's what I keep trying to tell you.
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    Here's an interesting little article illustrating why we (programmers) find the way you (Troll_King) talk silly.

    http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stor...634942,00.html
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    I didn't read this entire post but I don't really think Troll_King is full of it. I think his signature makes sense and I don't think he should be ridiculed for it. Now I am going to go back and read the rest of this thread...

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    By Troll_King:
    You should concentrate on the solutions being used by the vendors. You than have to keep up with the changes. Those solutions are currently called Java and .net. If you are proficient in either of those solutions than you will get hired.
    Isn't that more or less correct?

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    ...hypothetical nonsense
    if talking about systems vs solutions is hypothetical nonsense that means that it doesn't really happen right? But I thought that people who program with Java and .NET are writing programs to specifically solve a problem, or produce something. Isn't that true? I think that's all Troll_King is trying to say. If that is the case then it isn't really Hypothetical Nonsense is it? On the other hand the people who work for microsoft who built .net were System programmers, I mean they built .net and system is just a generic term to describe it. system and solution are generic but the way troll_king defines them makes sense to me and they don't seem like hypothetical nonsense to me.
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    shadow, every so often TK says something rational, then he acts like a know it all retard. You quoted something rational (although full of the previously mentioned buzzwords). Here's a better example of what you should have noticed if you read the thread.
    Originally posted by Troll_King
    If you hang around here you will not recieve too much of this kind of help because people don't quite know what they are doing here, but that will change.
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    That's true, the quote you pointed out isn't very realistic..hmm i guess I stop trying to back up TK then

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    On the other hand, isn't .NET a System? Aren't the programs written with Java and .NET more or less Solutions? Think about System and Solution as generic terms...this has nothing to do with TK anymore cuz he is kind of a doof.

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    hypothetical just means that it doesn't apply directly to a specific, real example. And most programmers come here for answers to specific, real problems. Dean has a habit of trying to stop them from thinking about their problem and start thinking about the overall picture of computer science, as if that has anything to do with what they asked.
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    Ohh, well that just isn't good now is it? I see what everyone is saying, I suck...see because I agree with you Fill, but I also buy into what TK says (not when he insults people or anything, just Systems and Solutions)...Maybe I should become a split personality between Fill and TK

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    I'm not dueling with Dean here! I was just trying to convince him that he doesn't need to try to teach everyone how to think.
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    If you are a Win32 programmer I can see why you don't like what I have to say. That is quickly becoming an outdated form of developing solutions on vendor platforms.

    I use models to focus more effectively on problems. It's kind of like a technology that the mind is capable of producing and it is not limited to the area of computer science. I created those terms myself, 'solution' and 'system'.

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    Take Win32, well it is not an obsolete way to program on the Microsoft operating system quite yet, however it's role is now to extend the functionality of solutions developed on the .net framework. Microsoft is building the systems, and integrating them, with a middleware component (which I would rename an 'Object' ...but I haven't decided that name for sure). At any rate, it is extremely important that solutions developed on that platform leverage systems (for example servers: web, email, database,...). This is what corporations asked for, and it allows them to make their work processes digital.

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    I tried.
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    I want to open some horizons to invention but first just become familiar with all of the ideas being researched. It would be great to examine operating system clustering, real time systems, distributed systems and even handheld technologies. I don't want to do these things just through learning vendor tools, but I would like to be able to implement them myself or at least in hand with open source research.

    Microsoft and the like are things that I want to get away from. The C/C++ languages are predominately used for research and development, and the building of systems. I would like to support that broad based strategy.That is what this langauge is for.

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