Kashmir/Terrorism Issue

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    >There are no victors in war.
    in one way, it is true..

    >There are no victors in war.
    against terrorrists? the above statement becomes bull crap!

    There is no need to get emotional about it - I just felt that you could learn to actually construct an argument based upon reason rather that poor logic. You call me ignorant, yet it is you who did not see my point in the first place. Now let us be done of these personal insults - we're getting off the issue and being selfish.
    >personal insults - we're getting off the issue and being selfish.
    this started with you talking about "adult arguments" ...
    and of course, i continued, 'cause i got ........ed..


    >There is no need to get emotional about it - I just felt that you could learn to actually construct an argument based upon reason rather that poor logic.
    your quote against war is kindly taken and the answer is given
    above already..

    this obviously looks like another indirect flaming saying that i can't
    construct and argument, blah blah blah..

    the poor logic was of course, yours... again i quote..
    >>When there're terrorrists and a civilization fighting against each
    other... telling BOTH sides to stop, especially after a lot of
    damage is already done, is same as supporting the terrorrist.<<
    is true...
    although it may not seem as directly supporting the terrorrist,
    it is one way of supporting the terrorrist.

    you may not be able to see it because you're from australia.
    when something unjust happens to you and someone plays
    uncle sam teaching ethics, how would you feel?

    >You call me ignorant, yet it is you who did not see my point in the first place.
    your point was the quote on war... i agree in general,
    but disagree in a terrorrist context.

    >Now you will say perhaps "you're very naive" - well no I'm not, because it will be a long time yet before there is ever peace and an end to war. I believe that both sides in this conflict will destory each other before they find peace.

    hopefully yes... but with islamic jihadis who consider themselves
    the brave soldiers of a holy war?

    no, don't take this as a personal flame... you're the one that's
    getting emotional here. not me.
    Last edited by moonwalker; 08-22-2002 at 09:56 AM.

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    >>although it may not seem as directly supporting the terrorrist,
    it is one way of supporting the terrorrist.<<

    Support for the terrorists to me would imply that I were condoning their actions, were claiming that their cause was just, stating that those who oppose them are wrong and should be killed.

    Now I have not really implied any of these things have I? I realise that bin Laden and other Al Quada members have said that the US are terrorists. But yet they do not consider themselves terrorists which is obviously because they don't understand what terrorism really is.

    It is the use of fear, which in turn creates terror, in order to manipulate the actions of others.

    Terrosim does not have to be active or agressive. It is the concept that makes terrosim what it is. People are conditioned to think that terrorism is only the action - this is in fact only one part of terrorism.

    >>you may not be able to see it because you're from australia.
    when something unjust happens to you and someone plays
    uncle sam teaching ethics, how would you feel?<<

    The US done its fair share of screwing us around, as have the British, as has the Australian government. Are you forgetting WWII and the Japanese - the Burma Railroad where hundreds of Australian POWs were left to starved and worked to death? Obvioulsy you have if you're going to make such a ludicrous assumption as this. Don't talk to me of being ignorant.

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    I say, phone the president of India and Pakistan and tell them to deliver peace to the region. If this does not happen in 24 hrs than send a plane over and nuke them.

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    The US done its fair share of screwing us around, as have the British, as has the Australian government. Are you forgetting WWII and the Japanese - the Burma Railroad where hundreds of Australian POWs were left to starved and worked to death? Obvioulsy you have if you're going to make such a ludicrous assumption as this. Don't talk to me of being ignorant. [/B]
    So you're saying US has done it's fair share of screwing us around... etc etc..

    then why would you want to use the same uncle sam logic ?
    this is screwing indians now..

    My assumption holds true.
    when a thief puts a gun at you and threatens to kill you,
    and you point a gun at him for self defence..
    someone pops in and says "peace" ... who's winning ?
    the thief... 'cause otherwise, he'd go to jail....

    >Don't talk to me of being ignorant.
    who's getting emotional ?
    also, don't talk to me about adult discussions..


    anyway..... one thing left for me to say...

    India wins a war against Terrorrism.
    Truth always triumphs!

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    I say, phone the president of India and Pakistan and tell them to deliver peace to the region. If this does not happen in 24 hrs than send a plane over and nuke them.
    huh....

    "For the rich and prosperous, it is unacceptable
    and quiet impossible to conceive and comprehend,
    that there can be other cultures, civilizations,
    people, works, nations, doctrines that
    are far greater than theirs!"

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    If something came along and sliced off the middle east and parts of asia and let them float away into space, would anyone really miss it?

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    I am not getting emotional, just bemused by your lack of insight into this situation, and your ignorance of Australia and Australians in general. Tell me, where are you from? What generalisation can I come up with about that?

    >>when a thief puts a gun at you and threatens to kill you,
    and you point a gun at him for self defence..
    someone pops in and says "peace" ... who's winning ?
    the thief... 'cause otherwise, he'd go to jail....<<

    You must get over this whole "winner/loser" concept that you are so fond of! Winning and losing are just terms for "what I have" and "what I don't have". It is this desire to have or not have that is the cause of suffering - the cause of war. Why not be content with just being?

    >>India wins a war against Terrorrism.
    Truth always triumphs!<<

    You have taken a side - that of India. The deaths of innocent people from both sides are really what should be your concern - not that of who you are supporting. This isn't a f**king spectator sport. We are all human - race, color, creed do not matter. Support for one group over the other or the belief that one group has a greater right to live is wrong.
    Last edited by mithrandir; 08-22-2002 at 10:17 AM.

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    dude..

    go talk about humanity to islamic jihadis, tell me what they
    told you.... no, let me see if you'll come back to me at all..

    go talk aboug humanity to indians, tell me what they told you..
    and i have no doubt you'll be back unharmed.

    >You have taken a side - that of India. The deaths of innocent >people from both sides are really what should be your concern - >not that of who you are supporting.

    yes, i have taken the side of india.. the deaths of innocent
    people are my concern.. and i'd rather work to stop the cause
    of terrorrism rather than just teaching both sides to calm down.
    terrorrists are not innocent people, by the way.

    india knows more about peace than any other nation in the
    world. it showed an example to the world that freedom can
    be achieved with peace. it is the first country that got its
    independence via non violence.
    it never had a history of slavery nor did it have a fundamentalist
    view. it is a hindu country where you can still be a christian
    or a muslim and shout on the road, the name of your god,
    and walk proudly and peacefully.
    you can not do that in pakistan.
    playing uncle sam against india is an act of shame.


    >and your ignorance of Australia and Australians in general.
    i can tell the same thing for you about the issue in kashmir
    and indians in general..

    all you see is the western tv telling "innocent people are being
    killed" ... look at these countries... (they're nasty)... 3rd world
    countries with no... etc etc..

    but when it comes to the issue of israel/palestine... they proudly
    take the side of israel

    they're the same jihadis (with the same concept) killing people
    in kashmir and they're from pakistan...

    >This isn't a f**king spectator sport

    true, tell that to the jihadis and tell them to stop..
    don't tell indian military that's trying to stop terrorrists from
    infiltrating.
    Last edited by moonwalker; 08-22-2002 at 10:35 AM.

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    I live in a nice country, Canada. I can hardly imagine what it would be like to live in India or Pakistan. It must be crowded and depressing. Why wouldn't they want to kill each other?

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    yeah

    If only a country like the UK stood on Canada's ass for over
    a 100 yrs and tortures it perpetually like it did to india,
    you wouldn't make this statement today!!! sitting on a
    nice sofa with your rich candy ass and watching TV,
    eating chips, thinking that the only heavenly paradise
    is your own country.

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    >watching TV, eating chips

    You forgot drinking beer. And I have to say, Dean's right - Canada's a pretty nice place. I've got nothing but good to say about them (especially their vomit resistan rugs in their casinos). Michigan's a nice place, too. I'm glad I can live here and let that other side of the world do what they feel like without it ever happening to me. Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.

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    of course..

    >Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.

    yeah, let's talk about the great history of bad things
    of our own country, the USA...
    where blacks are enslaved and butchered, Klu Klux Klan,
    lots of drug problems in school, lots of divorce cases (average
    marriage life... 8 freakin years!!!), legalisation of prostitution
    in nevada, first time use of nukes, etc.. etc... the list goes on..

    yet we look at ourselves and say, bad things never happen
    to me... it only happens to other (indirectly saying bad) people..

    this is a typical example of a rich ass's thoughts.

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    OK, now you're just making things up. We never did any of those things. Nukes? What're those?

    Seriously, Mr. Moon Man, every country has skeletons in their closet. I'd like to note a couple things about what you said.

    1) Even thought the bombs dropped on Japan killed thousands, they did force the Japanese into surrender. If there was no surrender, there would have been a ground invasion of Japan, which would have claimed WAY more lives than the A-bombs did. Look it up - it was esitmated American casualties ALONE would have been over a million.

    2) Blacks haven't been enslaved for almost 150 years. Learn to read. The KKK are nowhere NEAR as active as they were in the past.

    3) Not looking at it from a totally religious point of view, what's so terrible about prostitution?

    As for drugs and divorces, I can't say anything about that...

    Where do you actually live, Mr. moonwalker, that is so ..........ing perfect?

    Oh yeah, and before you start pointing fingers at everyone here calling us "rich asses", remember - you've got a computer - that makes you wealthier than 95% of the people in the world.

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    Yes, I'm a rich candy ass, and I'm proud of it.

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    hey, idiot... will just shut the .......... up?

    i gave those examples to prove that the paradise
    you're talking about is not exactly a paradise.

    NOTHING can justify using nukes... US used TWO nukes.
    now don't talk about casuality things.. that's a whole different
    story where again, ignorance is from our own side.

    slavery is long gone... but still the human rights is fighting
    to remove the traces of racism that still exist in this country.

    although the number of whites who use/sell drugs is 5 times
    more than the number of blacks, about 85% of all the
    drug cases are registered only against blacks.

    yeah, i am a rich ass... but i dont think like you do.

    i pointed to you guys because of the way you were
    talking here..
    >I live in a nice country, Canada. I can hardly imagine what it would be like to live in India or Pakistan. It must be crowded and depressing. Why wouldn't they want to kill each other?

    now what kind of a crazy ass idiot talks like this when there's
    a discussion of 2 relatively poorer countries ???

    and you seconded it by saying
    >Bad things don't happen to people like me - they always happen to someone else.

    but when i pointed out bad things on our own country..
    you end up saying nothing's perfect..

    now you call yourself a person with a brain? shame on you!

    you damn well know it's not proper to talk like that in situations
    like these so just shut the hell up and learn to respect others.

    jumping over in forums like these will not make you any better
    than the rest.
    Last edited by moonwalker; 08-22-2002 at 01:54 PM.

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