jazz improvisation

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    jazz improvisation

    seems like a lot of the time it focuses more on the rhythm and dynamics than the melody. is that about right? [combined that swing and the second mode sounds great]. does anyone here like jazz? thanks!
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    i listened to a few benny goodman's pieces and they were quite good. I am not a big fan of that really hard jazz, i just like blues!
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    It was that way when I played DA. I would know the beat, and just play to my mood which caused different rhythms. However, one still has to stay relatively in key. Playing out of key should be done for a specific purpose. I love jazz, except for the slow balad-ish songs.

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    >slow balad-ish songs.

    yeah some of that bossa-nova ish stuff that they play on the Wave, y'know the 'smooth' jazz isn't really that jazzy at all... melodically... [being that it is more melodic, not non-diatonic, which is what you come to expect]...

    i'd like to learn the technical side of it even more, any suggestions? makes me wish i could sight-read better...
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    Most of jazz is just style. Everyone will solo differently. Hence, there really are not that many rules. The only time that restrictions come in is when others are playing chords in the background or soloing with you. Then, you need to try to stay in key a little more, or you will sound pretty bad sometimes. However, if you want to make a certain section stand out, you can purposely play out of key, which can really grab the listener's attention. For example, in one song I played, the composer wanted to symbolize a struggle, so he had the parts play notes in all different keys, and it sounded horrible (the way it should be). The key is that jazz is all style and performance. Consider it somewhat like writing; you want to convey your emotions to the audience. If you are happy, you play an upbeat tune. If sad, a slower tune. If in a struggle, some ugly notes together.

    If you want to learn more, just look for some music/jazz theory books. Also, improved sight-reading comes only with experience. So, just pick up any piece of music, doesn't even have to be for your instrument, and play it.

    Just never forget one thing. Music is for enjoyment and should be fun. If you have fun, your music will turn out much better. So, just find a couple of friends, and have a jamn session. Those are a blast.

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    thanks, it's always been fun so far and free jazz soloing has always been fun for me. i would like to work in that same feeling, that same dynamic within the framework of some accompaniment, and it's hard to find other people to do this with, hopefully ther'll be more musicians in my residence hall.

    what other modes besides the second degree sound 'jazz' if played with a swing feel? i like how you can add chromatics between that scale within the blues-box to extend a line. so far i mainly use 7th 9th and 13th major and minor chords with roots on the bass strings... using the circle of fifths and chromatic root movement... are there any other 'jazz-toolbox' chords i could use like this? i first began to experiment with jazz by substituting 'jazzy' chords within a 12-bar blues structure, and it's gone from there... what other extended chords could i use? thanks!
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    Yes I love jazz guitar - I can even play some .

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    There are a lot of chords you can use and most of it depends on who you are playing with. You have to try to stay "near" their keys, unless you purposely want to leave it. However, most of jazz is how you play the notes and when you play them. Tone and timing are very important in jazz. That is why you see all the different mutes for a trumpet, people playing slapstick guitar, ect... Jazz is not math. There are no concrete rules. You have to play by feel. Have jam sessions and just play what feels it would go along with the music. Don't think, just feel.

    Really you could do anything you want. That is the beauty of jazz. It is organized chaos.

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    perfect, just what i imagined... and everything why i like jazz... i'll record some stuff one day and post it here for you... any recommended listening?
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    er.... ahhh!!! can rondo alla turca be played on the classical guitar? it's driving me insane!!! [i'll force it to damnit i'll grow a sixth finger somewhere...] didn't they play that in 'crossroads'? what was that piece that the guy played then? thanks!
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