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How many of you are actually programmers/developers?

This is a discussion on How many of you are actually programmers/developers? within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Not a developer title-wise, but its basically what I spend a lot of my time doing. Programming time at work ...

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    Not a developer title-wise, but its basically what I spend a lot of my time doing. Programming time at work is basically 50% MATLAB, 30% Perl, 20% C++ with occasional Java or *nix-shell thrown in.

    My $0.02 on Win-vs-NIX: I don't think Windows is going away anytime soon, and you can do some really, really cool things with the Windows API. Regardless of your feelings about the Microsoft business strategy, they make some very impressive and very widely-used tools. It pretty much all boils down to your target market: if you're writing for yourself or for a very specific group of users, use whatever OS your hardened, prejudicial soul desires. Larger audiences require greater coding flexibility, nicht?
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    Originally posted by FillYourBrain
    I remember back in high school where it was a TREND to try to be different than the majority. hmmmm... there's some funny irony in that. That is today's *nix crowd. Not to mention mac people. TK/dean whoever you are, grow up.
    The reason why I use Linux is because I want to have access to the implimentation of the software architectures that I will be building upon. I don't want to program blindly from an interface.

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    In addition from an academic standpoint, open source makes the most sense. There is no greater oportunity to learn than to study the actual source code. In this way an individual will not be lead by vendor sales campaigns, but instead be able to put the technology into a context and interpret it for its real worth. I have mentioned before that the solutions are generic.

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    Originally posted by Troll_King
    The reason why I use Linux is because I want to have access to the implimentation of the software architectures that I will be building upon. I don't want to program blindly from an interface.
    What YOU want to do has very little to do with the relevance of an OS that you don't like. And it certainly doesn't add substance to your statement that windows programmers are not developers.

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    I find that MS developers are similar to end users. They are 100% dependent on the vendors architectural solutions, or plumbing. Instead of working with architectures you are always working with an interface, in a tightly controlled environment. In other words, about three quarters of the application is already decided for you. I don't think that MS developers know what they are doing.

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    You can't learn anything that way. You are letting the MS employees/developers do all of the research, make all of the decisions, and do all of the real programming. There is no room for original development.

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    I'm currently still in high school, but being the only one that's computer savvy in my school (very small town, only 300 peole in the high school) i've been priveleged with creating programs for the school. Our principal was formerly the vice principal of a larger district...and has agreed to help me shoot the same idea to his old school (of course i'd have to be paid for that job ) I'm a electrician by summer job at a company that does automation solutions in northern illinois. I've gotten paid the last three weeks however to create a program, plus some overtime to debug the company's newly released website.

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    PHP and XML
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    That makes as much sense as the following:

    "I find that artists are overly dependant on the paint that is provided by some company as a solution. They are provided the pigments without the ability to modify the chemical makeup." - Troll_King's *******twin

    "I find that carpenters are not real carpenters unless they've built their own hammer. Those that use hammers from evil Craftsman are slaves to a tightly controlled environment provided by a vendor" - Troll_King's *******twin

    oh and the most rediculous

    "Troll King has a brain"

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    He is a troll. Two weeks from now he will be calling Linux users communists.
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    out of curiosity TK, did you wire your own processor? I hope you aren't a slave to the inner workings of an intel processor!

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    Originally posted by FillYourBrain
    That makes as much sense as the following:

    "I find that artists are overly dependant on the paint that is provided by some company as a solution. They are provided the pigments without the ability to modify the chemical makeup." - Troll_King's *******twin

    "I find that carpenters are not real carpenters unless they've built their own hammer. Those that use hammers from evil Craftsman are slaves to a tightly controlled environment provided by a vendor" - Troll_King's *******twin

    oh and the most rediculous

    "Troll King has a brain"
    MS's decisions are regulated by profit. They want to create as much hype as possible for their products and if you can not interpret what they are selling you than you might as well empty their wallet, because you have no choice. The actual solutions have been around for a long time. MS has not done very much original work, sure, there are some original features, however most of them are natural extensitions of designs that were established years ago. They also build ontop of previous technology using generic solutions, for example a proxy that allows distrubuted .net objects to communicate with COM objects. In time, I want to emphasise the solutions that are being used instead of the marketing hype. Learn how to program, and don't just follow technology solutions blindly. You need to understand what is happening underneath.

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    Originally posted by FillYourBrain
    out of curiosity TK, did you wire your own processor? I hope you aren't a slave to the inner workings of an intel processor!
    I don't deal with hardware architectures because I do not have the knowledge or the financing to do that kind of work, I wish I could though.

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    It works like this, here is the layering:


    Solutions
    Software Architecture
    Hardware Architecture


    (The constraints are vertical)
    Last edited by Troll_King; 08-05-2002 at 04:38 PM.

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    TK, have you ever stopped to think about the following:

    Many of the programs that can be programmed on windows can also be EASILY ported to linux?

    Or, that some of us do not have the permission to turn our computers over to linux?


    And another thing... Just because i am developing for my windows comp and my mac comp doesn't mean i don't want to have linux. I would love to have it. But it is people like you that make it look like linux is a "windows-hater" OS. it also makes linux users look like a joke. And worse, it makes linux look like a joke. So shove your opinions until someone asks you or you can present them civilly(look it up in a dictionary, or copy/paste it to dictionary.com).

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    I'm working on in house solutions rather than assembly line solutions. I'm acquiring an education in order to be able to interpret the business environment. I'm not very easily lead by sales gimicks, nor cohersed into supporting monopolies. I have a job and I pay my bills.
    Like has been said, you need to be more open minded. Even sympathy would be a change. No where have you shown a concern for anyone but you. If you have, show me, but i won't expect it soon.

    And, if you want people to sympathize for YOU, you probably better get working on that in-house solution everyone needs, a subliminal messaging virus.

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