Drugs, sex, freindship, and suside.

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    Drugs, sex, freindship, and suside.

    Please read my entire post before you put words In my mouth, say I am something, and flame me.

    A few years ago I belived in what sociaty told me was moral and immoral. I belived that people had sex before mariage were immoral. That smoking and drinking were immoral activies for people that are underage. I belived that someone who is in school sports was moral, and should be respected and those kids against the wall with cigirates are to be avoid because all they want to do to get you hooked.

    Life however seems to be diffent.

    I work with those people who stand against the wall with the cigirate in there mouth. Never once have the even tried to get me to smoke, and have only done the opposite and threatend me not to smoke. I know people who have lost there virginity by the age of 14. I know people who have sold there body on the street. These people are among the nicest people I know, I owe some of them for the countless time they have stood up for me.

    Time and time again you hear of how teasing has driven teens to commmite suicide or worse kill others. Time and time again the people who push people over the edge are the Jocks, and other groups sociaty belives to be 'moral'. If your the reason someone kills them selve how are you 'moral'?

    I myself don't do drugs and I'm a virgin. I how ever don't look down on those who do, but instead offer any support I can.
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    >> If your the reason someone kills them selve how are you 'moral'?<<

    No one is responsible for the actions of another. However, people do have a responsibility for their own actions, which do affect others. If I were to hypothetically tease you until you cracked, I could not say that I did not contribute to your actions, however, ultimately you decided to strike back by your own will.

    It's all 50/50. Blame cannot rest on the shoulders of one person.

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    we all fell sorry but it is..............Life.

    Each person have his or her own life style. good or bad.
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    Congratulations Sentaku senshi.

    You are growing up questioning what you are told, trusting in only what you experience. Better than those who just accept the status quo.

    It is difficult when the things you achored your 'morals' with / to prove to be incorrect, you must adapt as needed. Expect some more to follow.

    Like when you found out Father Christmas was fake as a kid.

    "without knowledge of pleasure, how can one experience pain?"

    All I can say is I prefer the roller coaster to the merry go round and good luck.
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    " few years ago I belived in what sociaty told me was moral and immoral"

    The society i live in doesn't think sex is immoral.

    "I belived that someone who is in school sports was moral"

    I don't think moral is the right word here, perhaps admirable, or desireable, but no not moral.

    Moral is in like right and wrong (in fact its mostly just whats wrong), wrong to kill, wrong to steal, right to help people etc.

    "These people are among the nicest people I know"

    What you are discovering is that conventional wisdom is BS, it is conventional wisdom that says that the sports guys are all great chaps, and that the people behind the bunker smoking are to be avoided, not morality.

    "Time and time again you hear of how teasing has driven teens to commmite suicide or worse kill others. Time and time again the people who push people over the edge are the Jocks, and other groups sociaty belives to be 'moral'"

    Well conventional wisdom has it that jocks are more likely to be better people, as in they are more likely to behave in a moral way (that is they are more likely to help little old ladies over the road, etc.) qualities, and your smoking, sexually actives (and btw arent jocks the ones who go around sleeping with everyone, thats the way it is overhere anyway) are more likely to behave in an immoral way (ie. steal from the local off license).

    Now that doesn't mean that sport is labelled a moral activity, merely that it is accosciated with moral behaviour.

    This association is "conventional wisdom", they kind thing that when people say roound a dinner table every nods in approval and looks at you like you've sprouted another head if you dare disagree.

    As you are finding out, such "conventional wisdom" is often a load of cobblers.

    Basically don't believe anything your told without first thinking about whether its actually true, never take anything on faith, you can't be sure that the person telling you didn't also take it on faith, and the person before that, etc. question everything to be on the safe side.
    Last edited by Clyde; 08-02-2002 at 07:47 AM.

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    hmm

    >I myself don't do drugs and I'm a virgin. I how ever don't look down on those who do, but instead offer any support I can.

    you're right.

    but the statistics show that people who use drugs are more
    prone to commit crimes.
    you need not look down upon them but you can be careful with
    them, of course.

    i may be exaggerating this a bit... but it is a little similar to saying..

    "i know many terrorrists, but personally they're very nice to me. so i think we're all wrongly looking down on terrorrists"

    the question is not whether or not they're nice... the question
    is whether or not they're harmful to the society... (and drug users
    are harmful to the society in the sense that they have no
    control over themselves & they provide bad examples for children)

    i am worried a lot because if people become more and more
    tolerant towards drug users (which seems nice, of course...
    because people are together then) ... there will come a day
    when using drugs is "absolutely normal" ... and you know
    the rest of the story.
    Last edited by moonwalker; 08-02-2002 at 07:55 AM.

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    > but it is a little similar to saying..

    WTF? No it's not... Terrorists terrorize (hurt kill destroy) people, it's what makes them terrorists. People that do drugs, well, do drugs. There's no overlap there for any sort of analogy.

    > I don't think moral is the right word here, perhaps admirable, or desireable, but no not moral.

    I think he was saying he believed (past tense) the conventional wisdom that jocks were, by default, moral... As you mentioned later, conventional wisdom is, in this sense, BS... People can't be moral or immoral when taken as a broad group (unless that group is "immoral" and "moral").

    > and you know the rest of the story.

    No, curiously, I don't... Care to expound on it?

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    Originally posted by Govtcheez
    > but it is a little similar to saying..
    WTF? No it's not... Terrorists terrorize (hurt kill destroy) people, it's what makes them terrorists. People that do drugs, well, do drugs. There's no overlap there for any sort of analogy.
    That's why i said... i may be exaggerating a little bit..

    wait a minute... so drug users only use drugs ???? and nothing
    else ?? .... they commit crimes!!!! and well... think about
    some little kid who goes to school... and one day her mom/dad
    told him that "drug users should not be looked down upon..
    conventional wisdom is BS.. they're nice people" ...
    well... the kid is more likely to get addicted to drugs soon as now
    he is very tolerant towards that idea.. as years pass by,
    more harmful drugs will be sold like cigarettes... and forget
    the human society that used to exist before!

    (oh.. and by the way, the guy who kidnapped the two california
    girls uses drugs too... and this is only one example)
    > and you know the rest of the story
    >>No, curiously, I don't... Care to expound on it?

    well, the story is already told above..

    if you're still not convinced, i can't help it.
    Last edited by moonwalker; 08-02-2002 at 08:10 AM.

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    That's right. Using drugs turns you, immediately, into a serial killer. Not only that, a kickass lobbyist from the sound of things. Thanks, moonwalker, you've opened up my eyes.

    Do you actually have any idea how many people use drugs? I mean, come on, there might not be a lot of people in your middle school on them, but outside of Whereversville, there's quite a few people using them.

    > the guy who kidnapped the two california girls uses drugs too... and this is only one example

    Gimme a fscking break. Alright - the guy who goes by the name Hillbillie on this board uses drugs, too. This is only one example.

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    Using drugs is a crime unless they are prescription medicine.

    Terrorists respond to injustice in the world, however unfortunately they claim a lot of innocent victoms. It would be great if the terrorists would only target politicians.

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    "wait a minute... so drug users only use drugs ???? and nothing
    else ?? .... they commit crimes!!!! "

    I would like to point out the horibble horibble flaw in this reasoning:

    Is a large portion of crime commited by the poor? Yes. Does that mean we should automatically be wary of poor people? No!

    Is a large portion of crime commited by people in their 20s-30s? Yes. Does that mean we should automatically be wary of people who are 20-30? No!

    Is a large portion of crime commited by ethnic minorities? Yes. Does that mean we should automatically be wary of people in ethinic minorites? No!

    Is a large portion of crime drug related? Yes. Does that mean we should automatically be wary of people who do drugs? No!

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    Why not?

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    Because you generalise an entire group that way, thats where prejudice come from.

    You cannot judge someone based on the social group they are in, only on their actions. (ok i can't actually say "cannot", more that most people find it morally repulsive to do so, thats why racism is viewed as bad)

    If all poor people were thieves, and all drug users were murderers maybe you could, but they aren't.

    I've taken cocaine (i want to experience everything, and yes that includes drugs, no im not stupid, and no i haven't nor intend to take it again), yet i don't think i'm any more likely to turn to crime for it.

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    What happens if God sends you to hell for taking cocaine?

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    I think that the media and most people in general focus on violent crime as opposed to white collar crime.

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