Drugs, sex, freindship, and suside.

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    >If drugs were legalised the amount of money the government would make in tax would easily pay for rehab centres/health care.<

    Another fact I see coming from sane people in this thread.

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    If drugs were legalised the amount of money the government would make in tax would easily pay for rehab centres/health care.
    I'm not yet decided upon that issue. The consequences of legalizing drugs are rather unpredictable. Does anybody have any idea what the equilibrium price of say, an eighth of pot, would be if it was legalized? I think that the reason most drugs are so expensive is the risk involved in all stages of the game. The producers in Columbia have to charge the movers extra to compensate for the risk of being found out and killed, the movers have to charge the dealers extra to compensate for the risk of being caught by the border guard, and for bribes, the dealers have to compensate for the risk of being ratted and the risk of being killed by rivals, so by the time it gets to the consumers, we are paying far over its "value."
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    "Does anybody have any idea what the equilibrium price of say, an eighth of pot, would be if it was legalized?"

    I have no idea, but considering in some countries the tax from smoking generates 10x the amount spent on smoking related diseases, i don't think that the monetary argument really works out.

    "I think that the reason most drugs are so expensive is the risk involved in all stages of the game"

    Well perhaps to an extent, but remember drug dealers don't need to be competitive once they have an addicted customer.

    It seems reasonable to assume that should drugs be legalised their street price would fall, tabbaco is a lot less expensive than pot even in countries like the UK, and i see no reason for the growth of the crop to be more expensive.

    My personal opinion, is that legalising drugs would probably do more good than harm, the majority of crime is drug related, simply because thats how crime gets its money. Our chief of police said he thought the greatest step towards reducing crime would be legalisation fo drugs for this very reason.

    If we legalised drugs we could do research on them, make them less addictive, and less harmfull. I'm a firm believer in education, i think if people were well educated then a lot of the worlds would problems evaporate. At university a lot of people do drugs at some point, and the vast majority go on to become perfectly normal productive members of society.

    Advancements in the field are coming along quite nicely, there was a very interesting article, that provoked a lot of debate on the possiblity of vaccinating again drugs.

    What you do, is effectively cause the body to produce antigens that bind to drug molecules hence preventing them from entering the cells. If you vaccinated your child in such a way, it wouldnt matter how much he smoked, he injected or snorted he would get no effect.

    Of course the question is, do we have the right to do that, to effectively decide for someone what they can, and cannot experience? Hmmm... What it definately does though is offer a great tool for solving the problem of addiction; want to quit? Take a vaccine and you won't have to worry about caving in, even if you do it won't matter.

    Another interesting development is the possiblity for a test for addictive nature to given drugs, that is, a simple blood test that could tell someone how easily they would become addicted, if someone knew catagorically that there was a 95% chance they would become addicted to drug X, would they take it?

    I do think that soft drug legalisation is probably for the best, though hard-core...... well i errr towards legalisation but im hardly certain.
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    >No one is responsible for the actions of another. However, people do have a responsibility for their own actions, which do affect others. If I were to hypothetically tease you until you cracked, I could not say that I did not contribute to your actions, however, ultimately you decided to strike back by your own will.

    It's all 50/50. Blame cannot rest on the shoulders of one person.<

    I agree the blame is 50/50.

    >The society i live in doesn't think sex is immoral.
    Absitance and Chestity (sp) were what I was told were correct.

    >Basically don't believe anything your told without first thinking about whether its actually true, never take anything on faith, you can't be sure that the person telling you didn't also take it on faith, and the person before that, etc. question everything to be on the safe side.<
    100% agree.

    >you're right.

    but the statistics show that people who use drugs are more
    prone to commit crimes.
    you need not look down upon them but you can be careful with
    them, of course.<
    There not more prone to commit white-colar crimes. Second drugs put them at the edge of sociaty. Third ever work at a Mcdonalds, Burger king, Arby's or any of the places they do work? No one would work there if they did not need monney, customers are down right mean, everyone will tell you a differant way to do something so no matter what your doing it wrong, you will be yelled at because you get in someones way because you have no other choice, I could list a lot more. It's a wonder why so many people hate there job.


    >I'm not yet decided upon that issue. The consequences of legalizing drugs are rather unpredictable. Does anybody have any idea what the equilibrium price of say, an eighth of pot, would be if it was legalized? I think that the reason most drugs are so expensive is the risk involved in all stages of the game. The producers in Columbia have to charge the movers extra to compensate for the risk of being found out and killed, the movers have to charge the dealers extra to compensate for the risk of being caught by the border guard, and for bribes, the dealers have to compensate for the risk of being ratted and the risk of being killed by rivals, so by the time it gets to the consumers, we are paying far over its "value."<
    Ah but you see, drugs are cheaper now then when the drug war started.

    >Well, yes it is a crime. At least where I live. Why should I pay money to help people who have screwed up their lives of their own free will recover in expensive rehab centers (and trust me, all rehab efforts are expensive as hell).
    Actually, let me rephrase that. I would, and do, gladly pay money to help people rehabilitate. But I do not think that I should be forced to pay money to help screwups.<
    The united states goverment spend 3 trillion dollers on the drug war. 2 trillion of this went to prevention and only 1 trillion went to rehiblitaon. Since the war on drugs began.
    1. The amount we spend on prevention has sky rocketed.
    2. Drugs are at all time price lows
    3. We get 10% of all drugs that pass through the borders. We have done this for the entire time.
    4. Most people get rehab in jail, because they can't get into a rehab center.
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    Problem with rehabs is that for most people they don't
    work and I don't think it's fair that *real* sick people have to pay their medical bills while druggies get free rehab.

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    >I'm not yet decided upon that issue. The consequences of legalizing drugs are rather unpredictable. Does anybody have any idea what the equilibrium price of say, an eighth of pot, would be if it was legalized? I think that the reason most drugs are so expensive is the risk involved in all stages of the game.<

    *sighs*

    Here in America, there is the Drug Enforcement Administration, an entire governmental administration. It's sole purpose is to keep drugs out of America. Then there's plain and simple enforcement of the laws the government provides (regarding drugs).

    Keeping JUST cannabis illegal in the US costs taxpayers about 10 BILLION dollars.* Just imagine if tomorrow, this drug was legalized. Forgot the taxes that would be generated from companies producing cannabis products - the well of freed-up tax money would be overkill to fund rehab. clinics across America. In other words, you'd be paying a fraction of your money to fund the war on pot. The rest of that money can go education, defense, etc.

    That's just one of the hundreds of controlled substances we have in America.

    *Source: NORML; URL: http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3375
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    >>Problem with rehabs is that for most people they don't work and I don't think it's fair that *real* sick people have to pay their medical bills while druggies get free rehab.<<

    Drug addiction is a lifestyle disease in the same way as certain forms of diabeties, heart disease and skin cancers. It costs less to cure them than lock them up.

    Because drugs are hidden, people who are developing a problem do not feel they can get help. They are usually too far gone by the time their problem is noticeable.

    Are you saying that all people who get sick because they did not look after themselves (diet, exercise ect) don't deserve medical attention?

    >>If you vaccinated your child in such a way, it wouldnt matter how much he smoked, he injected or snorted he would get no effect.<<

    A drug called Naltrexone will stop the absorbsion of drugs for over 24hrs (mainly Opiates but also Alcohol). Comes in a month+ implant.

    If you OD on Opiates they can give you a drug, Narcan, that removes them almost imediately. They give you two, the first into a muscle, the sevond intraveniously. This is because many heroin OD's will recover almost instantaniously and some run off. Only to OD again later as their body absorbs more of the H.

    Unless you have suffered addiction and tried to give up (say smoking) or have a family member who has addiction problems, don't be so hasty to condem addicts. In my experience everybody is addicted to something (to help them get through reality). For some it is excitement (adrenalin) others it is harmful (drugs) and others have a problem with religion (faith).
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    I certainly do not agree that drugs should be legalised.

    In the UK we have a serious problem with our drinking "culture".

    I mean I enjoy going out and having a few drinks with my friends but I always maintain control and I know when I have had enough. I never (anymore) wake up not knowing how I got home.

    In the UK it is normal on a friday or saturday night to see young girls (late teens, early 20's) on their own barely able to walk due to the effects of alcohol. I regularly see young girls so wasted they require help getting into a taxi and need someone else to tell the driver where to go.

    It is normal for police to be called out to break up fights in pubs that were simply started and fuelled by alcohol, even in my university bar, which being a university bar should surely contain people with more than average intelligence.

    Just last week a guy from Cyprus whom I am living with in student halls went out to a bar. It was his last week in England, he has just finished a degree in accountancy and hadn't seen his family for a year. He was talking to a girl at the bar and the first he knew that she had a BF was when the drunken lout walked over to him and without saying a word battered the guy to the floor. He remains in England waiting for an operation on his eye as he was so mercilessly beaten.

    It is normal here for groups of lads to be drunk and foul-mouthed at 3 or 4 in the afternoon. On numerous occasions I have seen kids scared out of their mainds because uncontrollable drunken yobs barge through shops shouting obscenities. What are the kid's parents going to do? Tell the yobs to be quiet? And risk the repercussions?

    English people are despised in many holiday resorts such as Greece because of their diabolical behaviour and it is all down to alcohol.

    I dread to think what level of social standards our society would fall to if substances like speed and LSD were to be legalised. The fact is that mind altering substances often mkae people aggressive and always cause people's inhibitions and levels of social responsibility to fall. Legalisation of more drugs would simply amplify this problem by making more and more mind altering subatances available for the masses. I don't agree that drugs (other than alcohol) are as widespread as people make out, I certainly couldn't get hold of any, even pot. I wouldn't know where to start asking. Whilst they remain illegal they remain that bit more difficult to get hold of and I am happy about that.

    My advice to other countries would be to not go down the path that we have with alcohol or any other drugs, it's not pretty!!

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    Re: Drugs, sex, freindship, and suside.

    Originally posted by Sentaku senshi
    ...who push people over the edge are the Jocks, and other groups sociaty belives to be 'moral'....
    WTF is a 'jock'?
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    I think in this context we (in the UK) might call a "jock" a "jack the lad". It's not a Scotsman as might be implied elsewhere.

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    Er, isn't a "Jock" a sporting type chappie? Over here it would be somebody going through uni on a sporting scholarship.
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    Could be.

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    Jock is someone on a schools sporting team. There the athletes of the school. Thus in any school that sports are the most important thing the best ones are royaltiy.
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    Drug addiction is a lifestyle disease in the same way as certain forms of diabeties, heart disease and skin cancers. It costs less to cure them than lock them up.
    One of the responsibilities of a goverment is to do what's fair and just. Do you think that's it's fair that a diabetic has to pay for his needles but a drug addict might get them for free? So I don't think cost should be the only issue -- the goverment is not a company. Cost should be well behind humanitarian issues, but somewhere the goverment will have to concede.

    I also didn't mean complete absence of treatment. I have no problem not locking up the run of the mill druggy, it's the people selling the stuft who should be locked up.

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