Webmaster - 'c#'
Please allow us to study this language here on the new board. I know that there will be a large demand for C# and since it is a cousin of C++ it is appropriate to adopt it here. They have a c# board at the dreaded programmersheaven website but that place didn't completely survive Y2K, some dungeon it is. Please set the standard. Please grant this one wish, I beg you...
I also promise to become more pleasant. This will help the children, not me. That is all that I want.
Languages like C/C++ are the basis of procedural and OOP learning, however many corporations are using internet technology and there is at present needs that can not be completely satisfied by C and C++. It is difficult to deny the popularity of Java. What a great benefit it would be to offer a board that took advantage of the newest technology of the computer industry leader Microsoft.
If it is your policy to only facilitate learning of languages supported by ansi.org and an officail standards committe, than I ask that you become generous in spite of this because what is also improtant is that the programming skills we learn apply to the demand for newer, more popular languages. Although it is not your responsibility to help the world although in no small measure you continue to do so. This is something that I think would be well recieved. I think that C# will be exciting, powerful, efficient and more than anything, it will apply to all the latest systems that will be developed. Lets not wait too long on this.
Cprogramming.com is more valuable to students than most people would realize. I can directly see the positive results of the knowledge that I have acquired by comming here. I think that there will be plenty of great programmers come out of this place. How could it possibly hurt to open the gates to new technology that resembles what we have now and can be adopted very naturally, but is functional in ways that C/C++ can not be at this present time.
Dean pushes pro-Microsoft stuff again.
Whats next, "A VB Forum for C programmers?"
Well personally I have been dying for a Q-Basic board for quite some time now............
C# - Nah, we sould wait a while.
We've just got a Linux board - and thats fair enough as there are loads of Linux users on this board. As C# is not yet released (Yeah I know about the beta version dean), we should at least wait until a proper compiler is released.
Witch_Craft/Dean/Sunlight stop pushing C#, I don't want to spend a $billion zillion on visual stdio
Q-Basic doesn't have anything to do with C/C++. On the other hand C# is a very easy transition from C++, infact it is 80% designed from C++.
Also this language is what people in computer industry are going to be using. Lets get a modern powerful language here on this website. I'm certian that it will be very popular. Also, you will be able to afford VS.NET. There will be a free version just as there is a free version of VC++6
>>Q-Basic doesn't have anything to do with C/C++.
That was a joke if you had not noticed
>infact it is 80% designed from C++. <
Ummm... okay.... have you even LOOKED at C#. Its closer to Java than it is to C++....... I think Microsoft just put "C" in it, so developers like you would get fooled into thinking its close to C++, and adapt it.
Besides C# so far is not a standard, once it is, and it runs on every platform, then we can have a board about it....
You have your Linux programming board so go post something over there and don't be a prick.
According to the MS team it is heavily influenced by C++. Yes I have looked at it.
Also, my arguement is that you do not have to wait. The board should go up right now.
>You have your Linux programming board so **** off now, go post something.<
Ohhhhh... looks like Witch_King is ........ed off.
>popular. Also, you will be able to afford VS.NET. There will be a free version just as there is a free version of VC++6<
You still havent told me where you heard this. FREE version of VS.NET? You must be really brainwashed.....
And seriously learn C# before you actually make asumptions about it. I've been programming with it for over 6 months now, and its definatly more like Java, than C++. But of course you wouldnt know that, because you barely know either language.
>According to the MS team it is heavily influenced by C++.<
I've heard that a thousand times from them as well... am i stupid enough to actually buy it? No.
Microsoft would never say its based on Java, but everyone knows its sole purpose is to get rid of Java. And if you have actually looked at the language fully, then you would notice how similar the two languages are.
I have heard this news from a Microsoft newsletter. Apparently beta 2 is available free with the purchase of a monthly computer magazine, title(s) appearing in their September issues. Based on this information, it is my conclusion that Microsoft will follow the pattern of VC++6 and it's free compiler editions that are used by publishing companies to promote their books.
As for Linux versions which you should be concerned about if anything, I've heard that they will also be available soon.
I have absolutely no desire to learn Java, when I can invest in C# which is a better language in my opinion. I can compare it to C++ just fine and from what I've seen Microsoft is absolutely correct in their descriptions of it's many similarities to C++.
Repalace Java? I have no idea what this means. We'll see what happens, let the people decide for themselves.
>Apparently beta 2 is available free with the purchase of a monthly computer magazine, title(s) appearing in their September issues. Based on this information, it is my conclusion that Microsoft will follow the pattern of VC++6 and it's free compiler editions that are used by publishing companies to promote their books. <
BETA's are always free.... if thats what you mean then yes, it is free. But of course the FINAL release will never be free. Those "free" compiler editions included in books are severly limited, so whats the point of using it?
While i prefer Linux now, remember, my name IS mfc2themax, i have been programming on Windows for years now (not professionaly anymore though, used too, im now mainly involved in project cordination etc. etc. "Group product manager")
>As for Linux versions which you should be concerned about if anything, I've heard that they will also be available soon.<
No i believe a version of the .NET runtime is being ported to one of those BSD types. Microsoft is trying to limit Linux from growing, giving it .NET support would be a horrible blow to themselves, it makes no sense.
Another thing .NET will limit most of itself to Windows. Most highlevel services will only be offerd on Windows Platforms.
At this time as most everyone knows, the commercial version is not available.
They are not going to give the commercial version out for free. Microsoft is not open source. They pay their programmers. I'm refering to introductory editions, such as VC++6.0 that have been available for some time now. Books are not too limited. If you buy them, they will most definately produce more of them to sell. For someone serious about programming, it should not be too much to ask them to purchase a book, otherwise if it was offered for free on their website they would get a bunch of non programmers downloading it only for the purpose of downloading anything that they can get their hands on for free. This would tie up other services.