Webmaster - 'c#'

**-KEN-** · 08-12-2001

There's no _need_ for it. It hasn't even come out commercially yet! for all you know it's going to be a major flop.

**nvoigt** · 08-13-2001

It appears that you are the only person who is concerned enough with C# to consider a forum worthwhile.

No. I'd like a C# forum too.

*MarksThisDayByA_HUUUGE_RedCrossOnHisCalendar*

Wow... I'm on the same side as Dean ;-)

Visual C++ is going to be history because it will be replaced by C#.

No... C# aims more to replace VB and Java. It's easy to handle,
Object Oriented, hides much stuff from the user, just as those
languages do.

it's just a combo of C++ and JAVA

Though it looks this way, it is not. It hasn't been finalized yet,
so it could change every moment, but from what I have experienced with
it, assuming it is released for Linux, it's all Java *should* have
been. A Real OOP language that has all the useful language features.

Just one example: Define a constant Object in Java. Try it.

( Hint: Get hold of that pack of Kleenex your girlfriend used
last time you watched Titanic, after 20 minutes you will need it )

for all you know it's going to be a major flop.

For all we know, it's a great language. It's marketed by Microsoft.
Thats two points for success. I mean, Microsoft sold ME.

They will sell pink elephants if they have to. Successfully.

**Witch_King** · 08-13-2001

I read a chapter from some .NET book, I forget the title, but it was a book by Sams publishing, it said that C# will compete with Visual Basic and likely win the battle. Programmers will use VB for certain high level needs but that's it, and on the other end of the spectrum, all low level work will still be done in 'C'. That means the majority of programs will be done in C#.

I've also read that C# will be faster than JAVA. The reason has to do with the fact that JAVA compiles to Byte Code or something of that nature, while C# can be compiled so that it is OS specific or else an intermediate language run time. I don't understand all of this stuff yet but the point is that C# will be a feasable choice for games.

**Govtcheez** · 08-13-2001

That'd be great - Microsoft's own products competing against each other...

**minime6696** · 08-13-2001

People on this board have created stupid arguments, not as stupid as KEN and I, but very stupid. This is bvy far the stupidest. C# and BASIC and all of that bullcrap was made in C/C++, the 'newest and popular' is not allways the answer. What abot makking Java2 or somethin' oh ........, noone knows C++ anymore, oops no more anything. Let me tell you something, Microsoft is ahead for a few reasons:

1.) Bill gates
2.) Not being idiots
3.) Knowing the best, not 'latest' so they could set what the 'latest' is, as our languages progress, our 'scope' gets smaller and smaller, Java is just a class displayed by a browser, not even an app, and with no control, browser written in C++. C# is pretty the same, these are 'web languages'. In my opinion we dont need anymore hard languages like C++, C/c++/ASM are good enouf, no more needed, the web on the other hand needs billions of ........s being developed all the time, becouse they are just not the same creative thinkers the makers of C++ where, they dont think of the whole scope of what needs to be done, basically, web langs have thier place, on the internet, NOT HERE.

BASIC, Begginers Symbolic Instruction Language (I learned that from DB forum, lolz) that doesnt even fit with 'BASIC', but w/e. BASIC is for kiddies and utter newbies. I think they are for the peeps who

A.) Want to make a program in 1\2 a second
B.) Can't figure cpp

I think that adding those other boards in is just ruining one of the last sierious places for real programmers on the net. If someone makes BASIC in BASIC, then I will be satified its an okay lang, but I KNOW BASIC is made in C++, and its not even that hard in cpp to make langs like BASIC, in BASIC,,,, lolz thats another story!

So lets keep this a nice place to ask Q's about real dev crap so Microsoft doesnt take over the words cuz they are the only ones that know real stuff, becouse we where all such lazy cows we forgot it all.

SPH

**Witch_King** · 08-13-2001

I didn't create this thread so that people could give theories or advice, although that was bound to happen. I seriously want a C# board. I hope that the webmaster will respond.

Facts about C# are welcome. Please site sources.

I don't want to criticise peoples comments, but lets take this seriously from now on.

**-KEN-** · 08-13-2001

Oh well, I guess if C# even makes a blip on the radar, you have to give in that Ms has done their marketing homework, and it'll just become another language...as much as it pains me to say it....dean's.......rrr....iii...ggg....h.....t.... .AUGH!!!!! I never thought that I'd ever have to admit it. A C# board wouldn't be a bad idea, but let's wait until it actually comes out commercially and all...

Does the ground seem to have gotten colder to anyone else? (IE: hell has frozen over...)

**Flarelocke** · 08-13-2001

Originally posted by Witch_King
I've also read that C# will be faster than JAVA. The reason has to do with the fact that JAVA compiles to Byte Code or something of that nature, while C# can be compiled so that it is OS specific or else an intermediate language run time. I don't understand all of this stuff yet but the point is that C# will be a feasable choice for games.

Bytecode is an intermediate language. The JRE translates that bytecode into OS specific executable code. If C# can be compiled to be OS specific, it's no improvement on C, since if it's written correctly, C code can be compiled the same way. If C# translates to an intermediate language, it's no better than Java, since Java does the same.

Perhaps C# uses a lower level intermediate language(which makes it faster), or perhaps the gimmick is that cross compiling is part of the compiler.

My bet(this is all speculation) is that C# compiles to a language whose format is extremely similar to x86's executable code, but with escaped system calls. That would make C# programs run much faster on Intel/AMD chips, but probably won't be on Motorola or other chips. That would make it fast enough to run games, and would be cross-platform given that a program similar in function to WINE could change the system calls and alter the instructions to fit the particular OS.

If that's true, it would make Microsoft seem more friendly to their best-publicized competitor--Linux--while at the same time reduce the viability of the OS that actually has the greatest number of users(okay, granted, the statistics are debatable)--Mac. Very smart move. Excellent play on Microsoft's part.

And since Linux didn't need C# in the first place--WINE is very similar to a program that would be needed to run it, and it runs normally compiled x86 programs(granted, C# will be able to run on SPARC and ALPHA chips, so that's a plus over WINE, but the speed decrease may eliminate any potential benefit it might have)--Linux will gain nothing from the deal, even though to the uniformed public, it seems like a magnanimous gesture on Microsoft's part.

But this is all speculation. It does give me some interesting ideas though. This definately warrants further consideration.

**Nick** · 08-13-2001

I'd like a scheme forum

What about

objective c that has a big c in it's title too.

Now Microsoft wants to go after the students! The first step in Microsoft's Plan Of Domination is to get the AP test in c#. No, Bill Gates certainly doesn't want java or c++ being tought in our schools.

>> I read a chapter from some .NET book, I forget the title, but it was >> a book by Sams publishing,

Jessy Liberty ?

Dean have you coded Hello World in c# yet?

**Witch_King** · 08-13-2001

Nope, I don't have VS.NET quite yet, because it is in the mail. Soon I will have it though. I am concentrating on C++ at the moment.

It is very obvious that C# will appeal to a wide audience, including myself. I think that there will be many programmers wanting to find information about it. To tell you the truth, I went to the bookstore and seen the selection of C# and .NET books available and decided to wait for another month.

In terms of C++, I have written a 'hello world' program in C#. Anyway I'm sick of hearing Microsoft bashing from Linux people. I don't see anything wrong with Microsoft offering a compiler for students.

I'm not about to just leave this board just like that. I will work with C++ for some time, about 6-8 months, but I am 100% positive that I'm going to migrate naturally to C#.

**SilentStrike** · 08-13-2001

This is cprogramming.com. Look at the name. It's not a general programming site like programmersheaven.com.

This website is dedicated to C/C++... I don't see why that should change.

Your only arguement for C# is simply that is is similair to C++. If that argument was sufficient for having a dedicated board, Java should have a board here as well.

**Witch_King** · 08-13-2001

.NET framework is embedded into WinXP and all subsequent operating systems. It is also an API, not just a language like JAVA.

**SilentStrike** · 08-13-2001

Java has an accompanied API, with a huge featureset. It has incorporated classes that do things as practical as compressing/decompression zip files.

**Witch_King** · 08-13-2001

What you're talking about is quite a bit different but I don't see why there can't be a JAVA board. Get rid of the DOS board which is completely useless, and put up JAVA and a C# boards, and make everyone happy.

C Board (C99)
C++ Board (ISO/IEC 14882)
Business Apps (Java & .NET)
Game Board (C,C++,Java,C#)
Linux Board
General Discussions Board

**gamegod3001** · 08-13-2001

Witch_King you forgot the Game Programming Board

this is how the boards should be done

General C++
General C
Game Programming
Windows
General Discusions

and this

General Programming
-this board is for none windows oses and other programming languages.

One thing I like to point out ( My computer will most lickly not run windows xp)