Microsoft? And what....?

Originally posted by Govtcheez
> That aside, I am dismayed to find a great number of anti MS on here! TELL me why..........

Because MS is the big boy on the block and it's fun to back the underdog. It's not just here - it's all over the programming community. Search google for "Linux sucks" and for "Microsoft sucks" and see which one you get more responses to (seriously, I'm curious and lazy ).

YEH, thanx for the reply...do you really search for MS sucks? hehe

Anyway my sort of point here is that ANY1 could make a breakthrough and be rich rich rich!

I suppose history tells us its always the small person that makes a BIG discovery.....


So, to the people that do slag MS off...why? Go out and invent something better..

So, to the people that do slag MS off...why? Go out and invent something better..

The unfortunate reality is that because MS has the monopoly,
they have billions and billions, so the cost for creating brilliant apps is way within their budget.

NOT so with other companies, not to mention MS haters.

> they have billions and billions, so the cost for creating brilliant apps is way within their budget.

Some of the most brilliant apps came out of people's garages - money has nothing to do with it. The problem with the monopoly is that MS has their fingers into so many pies so deeply that it's difficult for anyone else to pull out a plum. Until someone develops a product that's better than Windows in every way (esp. user-friendliness... us aside, most people would rather see cookie-cutter design than a command line), MS is gonna stay on top.

Eh, they've produced crap and will continue to produce crap. Not to mention that I don't forsee them giving up anti-competetive practices any time soon (if what I've read about palladium has any shred of truth in it, that is..) - but all-in-all they've made some wonderful products, and some fantastic business moves, and that's why they're on top.

But personally I'm not a big Linux fan, BeOS has little support, UNIX is unfriendly at best, MacOS...well I don't enjoy being stuck on macs, and BSD..well I dunno, never felt like trying it but I think it's like Linux, right? So that leaves me with Windows, and I'm more than happy with it (XP/2K/NT, at least...but I even like WinME more than Linux...call me crazy )

>>but I even like WinME more than Linux...call me crazy

Gladly: You're crazy.

From the experiences i've had on friends systems with ME, I've concluded that you might as well use your tower as a fish bowl. I've suggested as much to them, but they just stare blankly as they are unable to comprehend the meaning of 'OS' let alone that there may be different ones available.

Ah well, whatcha gonna do (besides getting a fuel efficient car to minimize gas costs spent making the circuit every week to fix their computers [for free]).

MS hasn't always created such "wonderful" products, historically speaking (look at DOS ). Their luck was mainly in the timing as at the time there were few GUI's out there when they released the first Windows. But to be fair, they've come a long way. The biggest problem is in what cannot be seen. The windows OS has increasingly become very snoopy and secretive in it's capabilities, uses, etc. and it WILL get worse if/when Paladium ever comes to fruition. I admire MS in many ways, but I feel they have too much of a "own the world" mentality. Too bad.

I don't think that the MS operating systems are the best, not even close, however I'm not surprised that some of you guys think this way.

MS is a barrier to my ability to learn computer programming. I want to learn about the implementation of the operating system as well specialize my system as I pursue research and development.

Unfortunately many of you do not understand that most of the MS solutions were not created by them, but are standardized patterns that were merely used.

Start with a layered architecture and you must build upon that architecture, however there are more choices.

To say that Microsoft is the end all of computer science is very sad. You should not short change your self or end users.

Even Micrsoft is a newbie to some of the solutions, take frameworks for example. It is an effective technology but I don't want to wait for Microsoft to pull my pants down and help me ......... I can do that myself.

Hopefully you will mature and see the difference.

I also believe that if you do not educate yourself about the origins of solutions, than Microsoft will use that knowledge against you as a weapon. In a way you could deserve this. That's just life.

The way I see it is that MS produced Windows so that you could run Office. I mean office has got to be by far and away the most used application worldwide. I would go as far to say that just about every person sat at a PC in an office has a copy of MS office on their machine. That's where the money is made, business!! Microsoft predicted this so produced an OS simple enough that anyone (even my 60 year old computer illiterate mother) can use a computer. They then produced equally as simple office applications. The majority of people don't wish to know how a CD player, a TV or a VCR work. They just want to be able to use it. MS windows allows this for a computer.

I often hear people complain that MS has a monopoly and that you can't buy anything else. But imagine if every business used different operating systems. It would be hell on earth trying to facilitate communications between different machines!

Has anyone used MS Project? Is it superb!!

Read the following books:

-Pride before the fall
-Barbarians led by Bill Gates
-The Microsoft File: The Secret case against Bill Gates

and you'll know why, I hate them......

Allow me to translate Dean's post for those of you that are new here:

"I don't think that the MS operating systems are the best, not even close, however I'm not surprised that some of you guys think this way.

(Windows crashed once - I want Gates's head on a stick)

MS is a barrier to my ability to learn computer programming. I want to learn about the implementation of the operating system as well specialize my system as I pursue research and development.

(I found a Linux book under my sofa cushions - I love it...)

Unfortunately many of you do not understand that most of the MS solutions were not created by them, but are standardized patterns that were merely used.

(... until MS comes out with something new)

Start with a layered architecture and you must build upon that architecture, however there are more choices.

(Look! Buzzwords!)

To say that Microsoft is the end all of computer science is very sad. You should not short change your self or end users.

(This Linux book is neat! It's got a horse on the spine!)

Even Micrsoft is a newbie to some of the solutions, take frameworks for example. It is an effective technology but I don't want to wait for Microsoft to pull my pants down and help me ......... I can do that myself.

(My title was ".NET Crusader" a couple months ago)

Hopefully you will mature and see the difference.

(And show it to me)"

People don't hate MS software. People hate MS. There's a difference.

cheez... that was the best... LOL... Dean, go back to sleep

The 'cheez speaks the truth- SAY IT, DEAN!!

Its the business practices of MS that people hate. Take for instances the recent Media Player update...

People can build a better product but aren't ever going to be able too. Microsoft has made too many deals and have too much money. (Such as the deal with the Army) I have a friend who created a program to help people who are deaf/mute have a pda speak common things that they need help with (or want) MS heard about them and basically told them either come under MS or they will build the same product with more money to spend. Is that fair? no MS is a buy all who could possibly make some money and if they don't smother them. And btw I don't use my Windows OS to use MS Office (I use staroffice) the only reason I have it is two-fold : 1- It was force fed onto my computer and 2- For NWN

Tell me why is it that you can't get home pc's with linux on them? Microsoft has made it illegal to get a home pc with linux preinstalled. (unless the rulings I have heard about has changed). They attempt to stomp out Open Source Projects (I wonder why?) but then they go and take code from those for there *new* OS