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    >>...don't come here and start ridiculous topics such as...

    hmmm...
    When talking about ridiculous topics ...
    what about yours???

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    When talking about ridiculous topics ...
    what about yours???
    I already know your opinion, you think that if I criticise someone for starting ridiculous topics, I don't have the right to start ridiculous topics myself. But you're wrong.

    I have no such unnecessary pride.

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    >>...I don't have the right to start ridiculous ...

    No i didn't ment that...

    Some topics may look ridiculous to one but not to the others ...

    If you don't care about this topic why do you post?


    (may be you care..)

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    "Personally I don't find happiness very interesting."

    A bizzarre statement, since by definition you would like being happy.

    "All these different words seems very similiar.

    ... True love <- Love <- Friendship <- Happiness ... Nothing ... "

    ....... They are different, (though love and friendship certainly overlap), but we can spot the odd one out of those 5 fairly easily (hint: it begins with "Noth" and ends with "ing").

    "However simple it might seem, each lie seems to be derived from another lie. In the beginning there is nothing."

    What the juice are you talking about? what lie? what derivation?

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    "Personally I don't find happiness very interesting."

    A bizzarre statement, since by definition you would like being happy.
    Not necessarily, an human being can have goals and reach for them without using bulky emotions such as happiness as the controlling unit.

    Take a computer, for example, it can work towards a goal without feeling anything. I believe this is possible for humans as well.

    What the juice are you talking about? what lie? what derivation?
    I hold the belief that about all human-created beliefs are lies. In their heads they have only false and simplified representations of the reality. An human brain don't have the ability to understand itself either without using simplifications and lies - thus everyone's mental and emotional world consists only of lies as well.

    That's one of the secrets of life, the reason why mankind will never ever hold one single opinion that will last. Everything will change. Life is an error because it believes in its own lies.

    I believe that the only way to correct this error is to kill everything that is alive. And that's my strife.

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    Despite the fact that Series has basically progressed from the mildly irritating to the extremly boring and repetetive, I'm forced to respond to this particular piece here:

    >>only false and simplified representations of the reality

    If its a simplified representation, how can you say that its false? If it can be correctly described as a representation, then it cant really be 'false' even if what it describes is false. It would be an accurate representation of a false object.

    You're just spewing nonsense.

    >>You should know that most people here are lonely programmers that will
    >>never get a girl, nor any real friends.

    Thats probably why you're spewing nonsense. Shut up and go outside. We're not all recluses here, bud.
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    >I hold the belief that about all human-created beliefs are lies.

    Nice belief. Contradicts itself, but hey, I have seen whole books of belief contradicting themselves, so why not your sentence, too

    >True love in the sense that there is ONE specific person
    >"out there" who is you're "perfect" partner is a myth.

    Well, biologically, there might as well be one perfect ( or rather 'best' ) partner out there. But there are many others who are pretty much good enough not to worry about the one. And I don't think the original poster had 'the one' in mind when he mentioned true love. I guess it was the difference between love and a crush or sexual attraction that markes love as true love.

    In my oppinion, Love is a special fraction of friendship. Friendship can exist without love ( in the man/woman/procreate/love-way ) but Love in any way cannot exist without deep friendship.

    >Take a computer, for example, it can work towards a goal
    > without feeling anything. I believe this is possible for
    > humans as well.

    No, I don't think so. Any human without feelings would be a robot. What we call feelings is what seperates a human being from a bio-mechanical robot. While we might be only that, we call things that are completely understandable and deterministic robots, while we call things we cannot (yet?) predict or perfectly interpret humans.
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    "Not necessarily, an human being can have goals and reach for them without using bulky emotions such as happiness as the controlling unit."

    Happyness is not a "controlling unit", its just... nice, enjoyable, etc.

    One can of course live life w/o being happy......... that's called being miserable.

    "Take a computer, for example, it can work towards a goal without feeling anything."

    A computer is not concious.

    " I believe this is possible for humans as well. "

    You would be wrong.

    "I hold the belief that about all human-created beliefs are lies."

    Hehe, can you see what is wrong with that sentence?

    Anyway it is clearly false, i believe that kinetic energy is equal to 0.5 *m*v^2. That is not a lie.

    "In their heads they have only false and simplified representations of the reality."

    Our perception is limited, but it doesn't really matter, as long as we know this we can work around it. We can use machines to detect wavelengths of light we cannot see, and frequencies of sound we cannot hear, etc..

    "An human brain don't have the ability to understand itself either without using simplifications and lies"

    Of course it does, otherwise there would be no such thing as the field of neurology.

    "thus everyone's mental and emotional world consists only of lies as well"

    Eh? Hold on a minute here, whilst our representation of the universe is not an infinitely accurate one nether is it a "lie", an analogy is that through our senses we look at a painting of the universe rather than the universe itself, that doesn't mean what we see is a "lie", rather that we must realise there are limitations to our perception if we are to understand how and why things work, and we do just that.

    As for emotional world consisting of lies, what exactly do you mean by that? First off, clearly comprehension of the human brain is feasable as demonstrated by the many professors of neurology around the globe. Of course the general populace does not have such specialised knowledge but then they do not claim to either.

    "That's one of the secrets of life, the reason why mankind will never ever hold one single opinion that will last. Everything will change. Life is an error because it believes in its own lies"

    You're plunging off the deep end again, mankind WILL hold opinions that last; the number of continents, the shape of the Earth, the size of the gravitational acceleration close to Earth, the nature of geometry, none of those things are going to change, and some of the more obvious ones have been known for quite some time.

    Some things change, some things don't. Man's knowledge base seldom steps backwards, the only occurance in the past that has had such an effect is a distaster capable of wiping out an entire society, basic emotions don't change either, 1000, 5000, 10000, even 50,000 years ago people felt the same emotions that they do today.

    As for "life being an error because it believes its own lies"...... well most life doesn't "believe" anything because its not concious, i believe the only animals that can actually lie are homo-sapiens (its a sign of intellect believe it or not), and most of them don't believe their own lies (only the delusional ones).

    "I believe that the only way to correct this error is to kill everything that is alive. And that's my strife."

    You do realise that what you just said makes ZERO sense, what the heck is this "error" you speak of? And why does killing everything solve it?
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    "Well, biologically, there might as well be one perfect ( or rather 'best' ) partner out there"

    Extremely unlikely, and even if that was the case, you would not neccesarily fall in love with them.

    ". I guess it was the difference between love and a crush or sexual attraction that markes love as true love."

    Oh, fair enough, though i wouldn't call a crush or sexual attraction love in the first place.

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    sheesh i just say one little thoughtful statement and boom, hahaha, big debate
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    Despite the fact that Series has basically progressed from the mildly irritating to the extremly boring and repetetive
    You're an example of a limited human compared to me, there is so much you can't talk about due to your limited nature. Your reaction towards people that you don't understand is frustration and other emotions.

    Thats probably why you're spewing nonsense
    True . You make such an obvious assumption because you want to stimulate your bulky emotions. It's a simple solution to not allow any changes of your current belief system by being ignorant.

    Shut up and go outside.
    No. You're telling me to do things, but you should know that I won't follow such a primitive advice generated by ignorant emotions.

    nvoight

    >I hold the belief that about all human-created beliefs are lies.

    Nice belief. Contradicts itself, but hey, I have seen whole books of belief contradicting themselves, so why not your sentence, too
    You're also making an obvious statement. You have nothing to learn me. I assumed that somebody would use that pointless argument against me before I wrote it. Don't think that you can teach me something new. Instead, just ask questions that I can figure out.

    Do you understand why we need to die to be corrected?

    Clyde

    Happyness is not a "controlling unit", its just... nice, enjoyable, etc.
    Have you ever wondered how these emotions appear in you? Parts in your brain creates them, thus those parts (among the rest of the brain) controls you.

    A computer is not concious.
    An human does not necessarily has to be concious either.

    Hehe, can you see what is wrong with that sentence?
    Yes. And I cannot get any further.

    The way we see the universe is NOT the way the universe is, but as i said that is inescapeable.
    The solution is to kill everyone.

    "An human brain don't have the ability to understand itself either without using simplifications and lies"

    Of course it does, otherwise there would be no such thing as the field of neurology.
    Neurology is a simplified view. Therefore it's not correct.

    they do not "lie" about how their brain works, they do not claim to possess such knowledge.
    They claim to know everything. Because they have opinions. Nothing they believe is correct. There is missing information.

    You're plunging off the deep end again, mankind WILL hold opinions that last; the number of continents, the shape of the Earth, the size of the gravitational acceleration close to Earth, the nature of geometry
    If you remove the root lie the lies that are built on that lie will also be removed. For example, everything will change, even your view of the earth will change if your view of the universe changes.

    Your view of earth's rotation will change as you understand the rotation of the galaxy. And there will be no end, you will discover new things. As long as information is missing, your view will change as you find the information.

    Thus everything will change, even math.

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    "Have you ever wondered how these emotions appear in you? Parts in your brain creates them, thus those parts (among the rest of the brain) controls you. "

    Your logic is that because my brain creates emotion, emotion must therefore control me?

    "An human does not necessarily has to be concious either. "

    Right.... if they are like knocked out. But what exactly does not being concious solve?

    "The solution is to kill everyone. "

    There is no solution because there is no problem, so we don't percieve the universe exactly the way it is..... so what? And even if it was a problem why is killing everyone a solution!?

    "Neurology is a simplified view. Therefore it's not correct. "

    Neurology is not a simplified view.

    "They claim to know everything. Because they have opinions. Nothing they believe is correct. There is missing information. "

    Having an opinion on a given subject does not mean you claim to know everything, i have opinions on a great many things but i most certainly do not claim to know everything. Furthermore opinions are not neccesarily false.

    "If you remove the root lie the lies that are built on that lie will also be removed. For example, everything will change, even your view of the earth will change if your view of the universe changes. "

    There is no "root" lie, and there are no lies built upon it. Not everything will change series, the things i previously listed are pretty good examples, the best one i suppose is maths, maths will never change in so far as the basic rules go.

    "Your view of earth's rotation will change as you understand the rotation of the galaxy."

    Perhaps, but the fact the Earth rotates around the sun will not (or rather the fact that the Earth rotated around the sun during 2001 will not change).

    "And there will be no end, you will discover new things. As long as information is missing, your view will change as you find the information."

    Well A there is only a finite amount of information in the universe and B not knowing everything does not mean everything will change because not all information relates to all other information; human beings are composed of cells that knowedge will never change, we won't suddenly discover that in-fact we are made of pineapples.

    "Thus everything will change, even math."

    Series...... mathematics will never change, new maths can be derived but old maths can never be replaced. 1+1 will always equal 2, because it is defined to equal 2.

    Series your conclusions are wrong, you show logical disparity in all your arguments, its like " because my computer mouse is not a real rodent therefore there must be orangutangs that eat fruit on Mars".

    Nuh-uh.
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    This is a bit heavy now.................

    But, Biology does not say love or true love does not exist, simply because we do not understand fully how emotions and the brain works. It says physically it does not exist, even though we know it can do.

    Biology cannot explain why we feel hungry correctly as yet, never mind love.........trust me/look it up/it cant.

    So, emotions are sod all to do with biology really, and the man that can suss the brain/brain functions/soul out will be rich.......wonder iff Bill gates is busy right now?
    Such is life.

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    Oh yes , I am sure it was proved a few years ago, that 1+1 actually does NOT equal 2..it is just we have been taught it does
    Such is life.

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    Moving back a few posts :)

    A wise man once wrote
    That love is only
    An ancient instinct
    For reproduction
    Natural selection
    A wise man once said
    That everything could be explained
    And it's all in the brain-Marillion(This is the 21st Century)

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