Thread: What do they take us for? Geez!

>>Yeah, because everybody who spills something on themselves is an idiot, right?

Hmm... Yes. If you spill, you've goofed up. Emphasis: YOU!!!

>>But it isn't suppose to be so hot that it causes 3rd degree burns when it touches the skin.

But wait... *suspense* It is! I dont know about the rest of the world but I do this really cool thing called _boiling_. Yup, boiling. I wonder how hot _boiling_ water gets... Yes, thats right; Pretty damn hot. 100 degrees C (~210 i think (?) in Farenheight) to be more specific.

>>That's crap. I'm glad she won.

I'm sorry she was ever born. What I dont understand is how she lived long enough to be able to purchase a coffee. Not only are we the only species to protect our stupid, but now we reward their non-existant intelect with money. It doesnt pay to be smart, it pays to be a retard with somebody elses product.

*hands lightatdawn a couple of signs*
Go get them buddy

Yeah, because everybody who spills something on
themselves is an idiot, right? Nice try...

She didn't spill it while driving, she was parked
and it spilled. Whether it was the lid or not*,
she still deserved to be paid, Coffee is suppose
to be hot, yes. But it isn't suppose to be so hot
that it causes 3rd degree burns when it touches
the skin. That's way too hot. Here are the actual
facts:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Oh, you'll notice that the coffee was between 180
and 190 degrees farenheit. Remember when I said
150+ degrees? Yeah, I was right about that.

*About the lid. I think I got this case confused
with that episode of Seinfeld. You know, where
Kramer spilled coffee on himself because the
lid was faulty...

*Hands ethic a sign*

McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were unaware that they could suffer third degree burns from the coffee and that a statement on the side of the cup was not a "warning" but a "reminder" since the location of the writing would not warn customers of the hazard.

Also, it's "Jeez." Not "Geez." "Jesus." Not "Gesus."

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>But wait... *suspense* It is! I dont know about
>the rest of the world but I do this really cool
>thing called _boiling_. Yup, boiling. I
>wonder how hot _boiling_ water gets...
>Yes, thats right; Pretty damn hot. 100 degrees C
>(~210 i think (?) in Farenheight) to be more
>specific.

If you drink boiling water, then you're the idiot.
Coffee isn't suppose to be served when it's boiling.
If you think coffee should be served at 210 degrees,
you have problems. According to that link I
posted, it should be around 140 degrees F.

>I'm sorry she was ever born. What I dont
>understand is how she lived long enough to be
>able to purchase a coffee. Not only are we
>the only species to protect our stupid, but now
>we reward their non-existant intelect with money.
>It doesnt pay to be smart, it pays to be a retard
>with somebody elses product.

Read this:

Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns
would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing
the "holding temperature" of its coffee.

They [McDs} served a dangerous product. Their
own testimony said that at the temperature they
serve their coffee, it would (not could) burn
the mouth and throat.

Lightatdawn, despite what you think, you're not
smarter than most people.

>*Hands ethic a sign*

Hand me a baseball bat, too. I want to beat the
living hell out of you.

That quote you pulled actually helps my argument
more than yours. They admitted that their customers
were unaware that the coffee they serve could
cause 3rd degree burns and may require surgery
if it gets spilled on them. What the hell were
you trying to accomplish with that quote?

I better watch myself. Who knows, Lightatdawn
may pull that crap tactic he has become famous
for. You know, the one where he closes a thread
he disagrees with. But before he closes it, he
makes sure he has the last word. Yeah, great
debate tactic... You should be proud of yourself.


Edit: I don't know why you all are sticking up
for McDonalds. But here are two more sites that
list the facts of the case. After reading them, I
don't know how anybody could still think McDonalds
didn't deserve to get sued.

http://www.consumerrights.net/mcdonalds.html
http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

If I had 180 degree coffee spilled on that specific anatomical region I would definitely not be happy. My God, that is painful to even think about.

full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin areas.

I mean, even with the wonders of modern surgery, that has to some damage to one's sex life. I don't want to die a virgin *sob* Wait a minute, she was 79. Never mind.

better watch myself. Who knows, Lightatdawn
may pull that crap tactic he has become famous
for. You know, the one where he closes a thread
he disagrees with. But before he closes it, he
makes sure he has the last word.

ethic, my friend, to my knowledge non of the Mods have ever posted the "Last Word" and then proceeded to close the thread. If a thread is closed, however, the Mod who 'done the deed' usually posts to explain the reasons for the closing. I've taken great care to not take a side when closing a thread.

When the coffee is made fresh, its still too hot from the boiling. It can burn you. I dont see why its somebody elses fault when they give you what you asked for. What are they supposed to do? Put it in the cooler until it reaches that 'idiot proof' temperature?

>>They [McDs} served a dangerous product.

I should talk about that. I went to this bar, and when I got my food, they had a knife with it! Do you realise what could happen if I tried to lick that thing? I didnt see one damn warning saying "Do not lick this object.". And yet, somehow, I got through my meal uninjured until I tried to eat the chair cushon which had no warnings to prohibit me from doing so.

Speaking of which, I'm planning on suing General Electric for pumping electricity into my home. Do you know how badly I could be hurt if I wet my finger and stick it in a socket? The bastards! How dare they....

Speaking of morons, how about the guy who picked up his lawn mower to trim his bushes and cut off fingers on both hands. He sued the manufacturer and won.

There are two side to this type of event.

The person who gets hurt using a normal product in an idiotic way, then not taking responsibility for their own actions.

OR

Large corporations keeping litigants in court to try and 'outlast' them at trial. In other words they make it so stressful, embarassing and expensive that you have to give up. Would you gamble your house, car and next ten years wages on a lawsuit? Because it could always go wrong and you have to pay for the corporations team of lawyers.

OK, the coffee was too hot. But it is not MD's problem that the woman could not remove the lid and add some sugar without tipping it all over herself.

But MD's has had up to two people a week complaining of 'coffee burns'. They know that the temperture they use is so hot it burns, even though their market research shows people want to drink it immediately (and the only way to read the warning is to tip the cup on its side). But the coffee retains its taste better if kept for long periods at this temp (ie reduces costs).

So MD's made the choice, to save money rather than provide a 'safe' (insert idiot proof) product. A cup of coffee should not be so hot it needs skin grafts to fix the burns!

MD's could have settled for 1/2 her medical expenses (US$11K), or taken the recommended mediation (US$225K). They took the risk and lost on a jury award (US$480K).

Its a lot in WHO tells the story.

CSR in Australia ran blue Asbsetos mines here. They knew that the fibres caused mesothilioma (sp?) but did nothing. Ten to twenty years later the employees all found they had a few months to years left to live. So the company took advantage of the law that only the employee could sue, not their families (the claim died with the employee). They delayed, postponed, questioned expert advice and generally obstructed until the employees died. Made the govt change the law.

Jesus, your peoples' analogies really, really
suck. I'm serious, too.

Even if the lady didn't spill it on herself,
according to McDonald's own testimony -- it was
too hot to drink. It would burn the throat and
mouth.

I don't see how the fact that it causes 3rd degree burns even matters. You know the coffee will burn you, so even
if it did melt your legs off, you still knew it was hot... so I guess that falls under your own stupidity.

Hot, and '3rd degree burn hot' are two different
things. 3rd Degree burns result from being burned
in a fire. They burn away the top layer of skin,
require surgery, and cause people to scar.

McDs had no reason to keep it's coffee temperature
20 degrees above the industry standard. 'Standard.'
That's what most people expect when they get
coffee. If they spill something on themselves (which
everybody does, and I don't believe you people when
you say you're too smart to spill), they dont'
expect anything more than a little mess. Not
$20,000 worth of medical bills.

You people are wrong. Just admit it.