VB vs. C

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    It is illegal to change the Microsoft OS source. I work and attend college, in other words I do both. I am not frustrated at all by open source, however I am very frustrated by a closed implementation and vendor dominance. My intention is to install and build information systems for businesses not to gain profit from software manufacturing. In my area Open Source is superior. I am also involved in computer science for the value of learning and in that regard Open Source is second to none. I believe that it is you that will be begging on the streets because you will not develop the skills and be able to create the opportunities that you imagine. I believe that you guys are going about it the wrong way. Wake up.

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    >while we are at it... isnt it closed minded to not have open source?<

    In what sense? I don't recall anybody dismissing open source or claiming that it shouldn't exist.

    >I believe that it is you that will be begging on the streets because you will not develop the skills and be able to create the opportunities that you imagine. I believe that you guys are going about it the wrong way. Wake up.<

    Wake up to what? Nobody has said that you (or anybody else) shouldn't be involved and learn from open source. I really don't understand what your point is. Does touching something like Windows somehow dilute your knowledge? If the open source community has all the answers why do they always seem to be playing catch up in certain areas and use some stuff developed behind closed doors as their inspiration?

    Are you going to stop using certain CPU's because the vendors keep the microcode details secret?

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    think about it: MS created VB. They wouldn't let you do anything that they didn't want you to do if they created the language i the first place, would they?

    Here's a sort of example:
    Let's say I owned a car factory that was the most profitable in the world and heaps of people liked to make their own cars, but they weren't as good as mine. Would I start to distribute a 'kit' that enabled others to make cars of their own that were as good as mine and be able to sell them to others, thus taking bussiness away from me? Huh, punk??

    VB could be, in actual fact, a way to keep programmers away from languages such as C, and control us.

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    If you are a Microsoft user than you are stupid not to use VB.

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    Cool Paranoia

    >VB could be, in actual fact, a way to keep programmers away from languages such as C, and control us.<

    yeah, that's not a bit paranoid (or a delibrate attempt to provoke). Grow up, kid. Try actually working in the industry and forming your own opinion instead of spouting things you've heard from others.

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    think about it before posting

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    >>Let's say I owned a car factory that was the most profitable in the world and heaps of people liked to make their own cars, but they weren't as good as mine. Would I start to distribute a 'kit' that enabled others to make cars of their own that were as good as mine and be able to sell them to others, thus taking bussiness away from me? Huh, punk??

    VB could be, in actual fact, a way to keep programmers away from languages such as C, and control us. <<


    Ok factory boy, since your so smart, let me ask you something. If Microsoft was so damn concerned to keep us away from C, then why the hell did they incorporate the BSD standards for sockets programming in VB? As you well know, the BSD sockets API standard was developed under C. In other words, the C standard is behind acting as a support layer for the VB language you hate so much. Does it sound like Microsoft is out to control us?

    Microsoft is already powerful enough to set a new standard, but she chose not to. Instead she is supporting what Unix already made popular. Microsoft created VB to make it easier to control the WIndows OS in much the same way that C rules Unix.

    You're just too paranoid to realize that, aren't you?
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    Gee, I better put on my anti-flame suit for this one...

    ahem, well, I was just proposing this idea of why VB was made. If you dont lkke it, let me hear your's, huh, punk??

    Just gimmie five minutes with you in my factory and i'll sort you out... (j/k)

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    >>. I believe that it is you that will be begging on the streets because you will not develop the skills and be able to create the opportunities that you imagine. I believe that you guys are going about it the wrong way. Wake up.<<


    What you said was just like this: "Talented programmers don't deserve to get paid for what they do."

    Look at this situation:

    A very good programmer who came from a poor family just graduated from college and set out to find a job. He knows no other job except programming. We know that open source industry generates only a meager income. If he continues to work there his whole life, would he be able to get enough money to elevate his living condition? Sure a lot of people would praise him for his "good ethics", but mind you, no one will even go near to help him when he needs money.

    So don't say that we pro-commercial people are the ones who are going the wrong way. It's you who lack the forsight. It's you who need to wake up to the real world.
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    people i think that th open source isnt a matter of the programmer livinf condition.its more about the kind of the program u r developing.....for example if u r treating with a general public program (lets s ay its one for word processing ) and it ll be widely spread, u dont ve to make it open source . itsnt wisdom to make it open source , this way ur wasting ur efforts.

    on the counter if its specific program which was written for someone or for a company for its especiall request , it makes sense here to be open source as the program (after devleloping )
    doesnt belong to u as much as it belongs to the company
    so they ve the right to ask for the source ,so that in case u travelled away for example another programmer could maintain it for them


    i think this make more sense
    Programming is a high logical enjoyable art for both programer and user !!

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    moemen ahmed's logic is similar to my own. I have no problem thinking of many ways that I can make money with Open Source platforms. I can make much more money with Open Source than copyrighted platforms. I can't help that you don't understand that, certainly you are not businessmen. When you join the real world of programming than you will understand.

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    Originally posted by Troll_King
    moemen ahmed's logic is similar to my own. I have no problem thinking of many ways that I can make money with Open Source platforms. I can make much more money with Open Source than copyrighted platforms. I can't help that you don't understand that, certainly you are not businessmen. When you join the real world of programming than you will understand.
    Well I work in business.....and if I know one thing its that you cant easily sell something that's free........unless you control supply....and you cant do that with the internet........

    Think about it....if there was really money in Open Source dont you think M$ would be singing its praises?....

    In the end...believe what you wish....but constantly arguing a point doesnt make it a reality.......

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    " I can make much more money with Open Source than copyrighted platforms."

    Please clarify.

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    I feel sorry for you guys, you can't figure out how to make money. First you have to earn it. That's the way it works, it's logical. And remember that you are an individual, not an organization. Falling back on some organization and self proclaiming yourself as a professional programmer is not going to make you rich, you really have to know what you are doing, you have to have a plan. I am not here to describe to you how to make money with Open Source, however I know that it is the only way for an individual prosper and become rich. Put things in perspective before you go marching off in some area. Stay focused on the big picture and than make a concerted effort. The only individuals who make money are those that plan for the long term. You could give someone 10 million dollars and they will spend it all in a matter of a few years and have nothing to show for it if they have no plan.
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    "I am not here to describe to you how to make money with Open Source, however I know that it is the only way for an individual prosper and become rich"

    I see, the ONLY way huh, guess Bill Gates isn't rich then.

    Anyway i was just asking, i'm not a professional programmer nor (hopefully) ever will be.

    Though you still haven't answered the question.

    As far as i can see you make more money from non-open source, which the reason why most computer products are non-open source.

    "I feel sorry for you guys, you can't figure out how to make money. First you have to earn it"

    What i want to know is how you earn it, producing open source programs.

    If you're making, an OS how are you going to make much money if its open source? Same for word processors, games, etc.

    I'm not saying its impossible i would just like to know how its done.

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