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    Will it work? (Sorry, a poll) :(

    Goto this link. Do you think Microsoft's idea will work? Or will it be a flub?

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    I dunno...I'm torn.

    But if there's one thing that I've learned, it's that no system, not matter how complex, is impenetrable. People will find ways around it...

    Also, it said that for a while it would be MS-only...that could be grounds for a slow startup, not to mention linux-zealots would scream bloody murder.....but it's open source, so I guess they could whip up their own version

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    I'm against it. it is not logical to name-tag every piece of information on the internet, and to prohibit the non-name-taged information to spread. furthermore, it's impossible. literally everyone would have to throw out their machines for these new ones. new compilers would have to be written. new everything, essentially. old information would need to be secured. an old computer could circumvent the whole process and continue to do what this system is trying to prevent.
    i can't see any success in this idea.

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    It's about time MS finally put an effort into security by starting over. I think that concept is long overdue. However, many security problems have nothing to do with the hardware, OS, software, etc but with the user. No matter how much security you put into a building, if one of the employees gives out the key, it's all worthless. There are secure systems already out (many of them UNIX flavors) but the PC commumity as a whole are uneducated or flat out ignorant. How many people here run antivirus, a firewall or have security setting enforced on their PCs? I'd be willing to bet not more than half, and we're 'power' users. I didn't start using a firewall until about a year ago.
    I'm all for computer security, but first we need to educate people about security or we won't be any better off in the long run.

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    Originally posted by tgm
    It's about time MS finally put an effort into security by starting over. I think that concept is long overdue. However, many security problems have nothing to do with the hardware, OS, software, etc but with the user. No matter how much security you put into a building, if one of the employees gives out the key, it's all worthless. There are secure systems already out (many of them UNIX flavors) but the PC commumity as a whole are uneducated or flat out ignorant. How many people here run antivirus, a firewall or have security setting enforced on their PCs? I'd be willing to bet not more than half, and we're 'power' users. I didn't start using a firewall until about a year ago.
    I'm all for computer security, but first we need to educate people about security or we won't be any better off in the long run.
    i really doubt microsoft can program a better os than they did the first time... lol look at xp... a root exploit first week its out? and these are the people we expect to make a secure os?!

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    its doomed to failer, the security will be craked before its release... as always.

    im sorry i question MS's, Intel's, AMD's intentions on this one.

    anyway, you'd best hope to god this doesn't work... this is the first step in controlling all internet content... and part of MS's master plan... if you don't know what im talking about,

    heres a small summary:

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    Cellular communications pioneer Craig McCaw and Microsoft's Bill Gates have come up with a vision of putting the Internet in the sky. These two founders of Teledesic are working to provide a "global Internet" by using a network of satellites. Their goal is to provide the Internet and other services to every nook and cranny on Earth. It will provide people with technologies that conventional geostationary satellites cannot. Options such as videoconferencing, interactive multimedia and real time two-way data flow will become possible in the near future.
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    this a softer than usual explaination... trust me its worse than this makes it loook.
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    I have to join my voice to the crowd here. It's doubtful they will ever do it. Ever since windows 95 first edition (inclusive) Microsoft promises their new OS is bullet-proof. But reality shows us in due time it is not. In fact is a clamorous blunder.

    They promised security and yet embedded RAW packets in XP. Far worst than feeling unsecure is having the wrong impression of being secure. And maybe that's why so many windoze users are sitting ducks. Because Microsoft makes them believe everything is ok.

    [EDIT] If there is anything Microsoft should go to court is because of this. Not because some stupid browser they have all the right to include on their OS or some word of mouth about bad practices that take a full year of tax payers money to prove[/EDIT]
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    Yes, MS creates the insecurity and the need for a fix. Then supplies the fix, which requires we all get new hardware / software.

    By releasing OS's that have no security, mail apps that run any script or mass mail without asking you. Being tardy in fixing exploits, they are released now as before it took over two years for MS to fix one. Then MS include RAW sockets with root access to any app on XP.

    These are not the actions of a company dedicated to secure computing. It passes the problem on to the ISP's and users. Who now clamour for increased security.

    Now to support the music industries outdated bussiness model they are increasing security. Don't be fooled, this is not for you and me. This is to protect big bussiness and MS's software. Do you think you will be able to run pirate software on this new system? Do you think you will be able to share copyrighted material?

    Now they want us to pay MS to fix MS's problem by buying more hardware and MS software.

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    As a professional programmer I would like to see all of you stealing software stopped. There are less progamming / IT jobs available because piracy reduces profitability. It also lowers our wages as we all compeat for the available positions. I wonder what the gaming industry would be like today if people actually PAID for all the software they used.

    >>some word of mouth about bad practices that take a full year of tax payers money to prove

    You mean like refusing to support JAVA in XP and then releasing their own version of it?
    Stealing Double Space in Win3.1?
    Lawsuits with KODAK over XP?
    Requiring you to use IE to get help in MSVC++ ect, even if you have another browser installed?
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    I think it might work becuase buyers new to computers, especially bussinesses, might look at it and say "Hrm, well, I want my data to be as secure as possible, and this looks very solid, so I'll get it"' Then again, it could cause them to loose millions if people just arn't buying.

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    i'd agree with ygfperson...

    It really does sound like all old data would need to be updated.. that's a completely impossible task at this point.. if they take the entire internet down for a while.. maybe... but what would that do to the world at this point? i dont believe this could really work out

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    Well, it sounds great and all, but what happens when millions of computers are made, none of which are fully backwords compatible with older models (emulation will most likely allow some compatibilty), and a month, or even a week into the market, a virus is created or a massive security flaw is found? Now what? Billions of dollars down the drain in the biggest computer blunder ever.

    And you know it will happen. If anything is for sure with computers, it's that anything which is made to be perfect is far from it. People make computers, and people are not perfect, therefore the computer cannot be perfect.

    Look at Java's VM. It is designed to not allow viruses, or any malicious software, to run on the machine.
    "* Stops viruses and worms. Palladium won’t run unauthorized programs, so viruses can’t trash protected parts of your system. ". Hmmm, sounds similar, right? Well, the Java VM isn't perfect, and malicious code can be written and run, it's been proven. So, how is Palladium going to be any different?

    This is also similar to XP's driver signing. Right now, you can install an un-signed driver, and most of the time you have to install an un-signed driver to get it to work at all. Now, what are you going to do with a piece of software that you have to have, but it isn't authorized?
    Even more, how does this authorization happen? Is the software sent into microsoft to be tested? If so, say good-bye to small developers like you and me. Now only large corparations can create software, and this will also most likely mean the end of free-ware, and possibly even share-ware.

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    No matter what the worry is already among the circle of big business. And the ideas start to flood and most probably money has already been invested on secret projects to cope with the gargantuan rise of virus, hacks, exploits and piracy.

    Every pirated software we download, every mp3 we get, every trojan that spreads, every mass mail that clogs a corporate mail server, every security exploit, every big web site that gets hacked, every Bin Laden that uses the web as an instrument for terrorism, every Hitler doll that gets sold on a web site... every that and many other things, silently contribute to a controlled internet in the future.

    For now its big corporations trying to create the technology to fight back. But soon enough it may as well be more than just a new OS or a new security scheme on CDs. It may as well be RAW sockets being used to sniff all content of a computer, monitoring of web activity without our knowledge or better/worst, government legislation and rules with all the problems an abstract and "democratic" thing like Law carries on a supposedly free-speech medium like the internet.

    I may sound fatalist. But we live on a money society. I Love You cost millions and millions of dollars to companies worldwide, piracy already led companies to bankruptcy and is mining technology achievements because of the money that get lost on lower than expected sales. A recent consortium of companies (sorry can't remember their names... check that out yourself) considered lowering their products prices on an attempt to minimize the need to illegaly copy their software when in fact those copies demanded them, by the business rules, to raise the prices.

    Overall, with all things considered, shady activities on the internet may be costing billions of dollars worldwide every month. Sooner or later they will start doing something about it. And guess who has everything to loose?
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    This next iteration will not be secure. I can almost promise you that there will be a back door to it. Why? You have to leave a door open to get information about the consumer. Reminds me of Dubai Media City "The freedom to choose" what you don't know is that they monitor every email, telephone call etc.. You think that this next OS will be different?
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    No matter what they do, it will be cracked and only screw those who don't pirate there software, download entire albums of the internet and so on.
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