Neverending matter?

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1. >the universe is collapsing in on itself, thusly its not infinite.<

What exactly do you mean by the universe? Do you mean the vacuum that all matter exists in? If you do, then I think the universe 's size is infinte. The amount of matter in the universe might be a different story though...

2. Some believe the universe is collapsing, some believe it's expanding... some say that the universe has a cyclidic property... it expands (in perhaps something like the big bang theory), then eventually it re-collapses on itself recycling all of the matter and energy into it's most compact form... then it eventually expands (bang!) and re-creates all of the matter and energy, and so on in a cycle....

time is relative... this is an important concept to keep in mind.... here on earth to us, this cycle takes trillions of years.... but in some other timeframe the cycle could be as quick as the cycle of your computer... it's all relative to what you're refering time to..

time, speed, distance... all relative, very cool to think about... especially Einstien's theorys....

btw: I don't quite believe that whole cycle thing, it's just an idea... never hurts to throw ideas at people, it sparks some good, healthy, open-minded thinking

3. Originally posted by Dual-Catfish
Matter is not being destroyed in an A-Bomb, it's being converted into energy. e = mc**2.

We have ways of converting energy to matter... rather, plants do. It's called photosynthesis.

The universe IS currently expanding. One theory is that the expansion will eventually slow down, and be pulled back into a central point. Afterwards, another big bang will occour... ad infinitum.
That's is what I meant. It was just a bad explanation.

4. Perhaps space is a mobius strip. It has a real form but if you are on it, there is no end.

A mobius strip is an example of a finite object that has infinite possibilities. So I do not think everything is as crystal clear as it may be. (circular logic)

5. if the universe is infinite, what happens when u get to the "end", which dosen't exists if the universe is infinite, but how can that be? there's gotta be an end to things right? or am i wrong?

6. >there's gotta be an end to things right? or am i wrong?<

I'd humbly say you're wrong. Is there an end to infinty? No. Is there an end to the decimal system? No.

It makes sense to me that the universe (as in the space that everything is contained within) is of infinite size. If the big bang theory is true (which I don't beleive in) then I think the amount of matter contained within the universe is constantly growing, and is therefore infinite.

Of course, these are only my uneducated opinions.

7. If the universe in expanding or coloapsing then what is beyond the universe.. It cannot be a thick wall ofcource.. Even is it is an obstacle what is behind the obstacle.. and what is behind it.... So i think our human brains cannot comrehend all this..

8. One of my friends was saying this to me. He said that space has to be infinite. If it isn't, it has to be contained in something. And therefore, the container of space is infinite, or the container of the container is infinite. Do you catch my drift?

9. >One of my friends was saying this to me. He said that space has to be infinite. If it isn't, it has to be contained in something. And therefore, the container of space is infinite, or the container of the container is infinite. Do you catch my drift?<

Exactly. That's what I was getting at. When I said that the amount of matter is expanding, I meant the stuff that is in the infintely large space.

>If the universe in expanding or coloapsing then what is beyond the universe.. It cannot be a thick wall ofcource.. Even is it is an obstacle what is behind the obstacle.. and what is behind it....<

See my above post and this one as well.

10. >>the amount of matter contained within the universe is constantly growing

Not likely. The matter may be expanding but that doesnt make it infinite. The actual amount of matter would remain unchanged.

>> He said that space has to be infinite. If it isn't, it has to be contained in something.

Did nobody listen to Betazep? The Mobius Strip concept is one i've toyed with for years. Though only a theoretical representation, it provides an interesting concept none the less.

>>Of course, these are only my uneducated opinions.

Just think of it this way: In the practically limitless possible number of things to know in the universe, the difference between what you know, and what any leading scientist on the matter knows, is so infintesimal it is practically none. ...

11. >when such big differences exist, that's because of error. Not because of estimatio

first as i said it depends on who you ask i've seen a great many of scientists lately say its collapsing, a lot seem to believe this "conflicts with the Big Bang Theory and evolution in general so its hush hush, i don't really see it from that view.

>what is it then?

SHHHHHH!!!! your not supposed to notice. i use what suits my needs.

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Just think of it this way: In the practically limitless possible number of things to know in the universe, the difference between what you know, and what any leading scientist on the matter knows, is so infintesimal it is practically none. ...
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Well? Think about it, its true.

13. >The actual amount of matter would remain unchanged.<

When I say that the amount of matter is constantly growing, I mean that the big bang is still happening. Think of it like a nuclear bomb going off. The "wave" is the points in the universe where matter is being created. The middle of the universe has been created and may appear finite to us, but the edges are newly born.

I don't base that on anything but pure sleep-deprived imagination, though.

>Well? Think about it, its true.<

I wouldn't be telling certain someones that around here...

14. >>The "wave" is the points in the universe where matter is being created.

The theory states that all matter existed prior to the expansion, it was merely all in one incredibly small point. I'm not aware of a theory on the continued creation of matter. The expansion theory is simply stating that the existing matter is still moving out (expanding) from the central point.

The problem is that though we are obviously able to see the begining of the universe, we are not able to see the end (or farthest point) of it...

15. >The problem is that though we are obviously able to see the begining
of the universe,

not so fast there grand-pa.

people have become so accustomed to believing whateve B.S. scientists spew at them that they don't stop to think about it.

the "Big Bang" theory or any other non creationist theory leaves out one small point! THE BEGINNING. where did the matter or energy or anything come from to cause the bang?!!?!!!?!?!?!?!! um um huh... uh what.... you got any gum?... uh uh... you cookin beans?

so anyways my point is the "Big Bang" has a "Big" hole! where di dthe bang come from!!!!!??!??!

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