Another reason to not like America

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    Another reason to not like America

    Today I found a new reason why people don't like America.

    In Den Haag, a city here in the Netherlands, the International Court will be installed. The purpose of the International Court is to judge people who did things wrong in wars, people who did things which are against humanity etc. in wars.

    But now it seems that the American senate has accepted a law proposal which allows invasion in my country, the Netherlands, if American soldiers are brought there because they have done things wrong in a war or conflict, to free those soldiers.

    So, according to America it is right to pointer fingers to others who do things wrong. But don't touch their own soldiers, don't put a finger to America. Everything America does is right. American soldiers can kill innocent people, American soldiers can rape girls in countries where they are for war, that is all allowed. And if they get caught and brought to the International Court, well, then America will free them.

    It seems that American find themselves so important that they can do anything they want. But if someone else does wrong, then that's bad.

    I didn't like American politics and this event made this even stronger. It seems that American really seem to think they are something like the Uebermensch, which the Nazi's thought they were. That they are people who are superior to the rest of the world so they can do what they want.

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    ridiculous....you guys must really be bored....

    -the american nazi...

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    I don't think that it's wrong to want to try your men in your own country

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    Originally posted by -KEN-
    I don't think that it's wrong to want to try your men in your own country
    That's a bit of a naÔve viewpoint...You cant judge war crimes in naitive country of the accused....thatís impractical to say the least

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    >I don't think that it's wrong to want to try your men in your own country

    That's not the point. The point is that the US wants to prevent American people from being judged by the International Court, but it also wants people from other countries being judged by the International Court. And they will use violence to free American people who have to be judged at the International Court.

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    No, I most definately thought of that, but usually we'd be just as appalled as they are.

    If we have reason to doubt that they could carry out the trial in a fair manner, or even that they don't have grounds and evidence to convict this person (or maybe it's false?), we should be able them out if we please.

    I think the government doesn't like to not have power if something goes awry. Just because we allow going in there to get ther people out, doesn't mean it'd be something exercised much, or even at all.
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    Who will be doing this "judging"? Just your country or a group of nations or something. Just want to let you know something the US has one of the most impartial and fair (to a certain extent) court system in the world. I am not saying that your does not. But I mean it doesn't mean that if they don't deserve a punishment they won't get it in an American court system, I mean when a president goes to trial because a sexual affair you can see that in this country no one is above the law. BTW I am tired of people *****ing about America, or is your country all perfect? (not saying this to anyone in particular, just to whoever happens to read it). It seems to me that everyone just looks for something to bash America is getting on my nerves, everyone wants to say something about about America, Gosh people give us a freaking break, noone seems to mention any good deeds America does. But hey if people are trying to bring you down is because you're doing something right and you're being noticed. Once again I am EDIT NOT /EDIT directing this to anyone, just got kind of out of hands........I just blew a fuse right now
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    >> I don't think that it's wrong to want to try your men in your own country

    Then, what is the function of the "International Court". It is supposed to satisfy people from all parts of the world, so that they can think that the ones who did wrong to them will be punished justly.

    Say, I beat you lol. Then, my father tells you that he would punish me. Would you be justified? Would you actually believe him ?

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    Well, I don't know if your dad is exactly as fair and impartial as most US courts

    Plus, the second you touched me I would have kicked your @ss

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    >Who will be doing this "judging"? Just your country or a group of
    >nations or something.

    The Internation Court is ofcourse not something of my country, nor even of Europe. Then it would be called Dutch Court or European Court. It is an International Court. So it is something of the international community and positioned in my country. Just like the European community has a head-quarter in Brussel, it are not the Belgiums who rule Europe. Since it is of the international community, in my opinion, the US should respect it.

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    >>in my opinion, the US should respect it.

    We are - to an extent. All the US is saying is that if they don't feel that a fair trial is going to be conducted (for some reason, don't ask me how...) then we can pull our men out, by force if neccesary.

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    Ok if this is going to be a so called "international court" I believe you should have people from the "western world" on it. Canadians, Americans, South America, etc, have people from Asia, Europe, Africa, and Australia, then you can call it an "international court", so far it doesn't look to me like one.
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    >All the US is saying is that if they don't feel that a fair trial is
    >going to be conducted (for some reason, don't ask me how...)
    >then we can pull our men out, by force if neccesary.

    And that's what I'm worrying about. Who decides what is fair and what is not fair? If people are caught because of war crimes, then they should be judged. Ofcourse not by their own country and also not by the country of the enemy. Therefore there is an International Court. I can imagine that if an American is arrested because of some crime, the American may feel that the trial is not fair.

    In the International Court there should be representives of all continents, Asia, Europe, Africa, North-America etc. Just like the European Court has representives of whole Europe. I don't know how they will organise it with the International Court.

    But now turn it around. Assume the International Court is placed in Washington and assume that Iraqi war criminals are waiting there for their trial. Now Iraq can say: in our opinion the trial in Washington is not fair, we are going to get our people out of there by force. The American wouldn't like that either if Iraqi troops went to Washington to free the Iraqis. And that's just the same as the American are wanting now.

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    The reason were sending soldiers into your country is because you waste our time with posts about your close- minded view and hatred. We've been down this road before and most of us are beyond this petty squabble. Learn to grow up.

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    why dont' you be fair and post all of the powers the ICC wants to be able to enforce its "international law". If you did that, i don't think many people would be in favor of an International Criminal Court or blame the US Senate for its defiance...

    It's just another ..........ed up UN idea, which's doomed to failure. I know for a fact that most Americans are not going to let foreign troops onto American soil to collect SUSPECTED criminals...The ICC and the international police force that's going to come with it are dangerous propositions, and if you don't see why, you need help...

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