Another reason to not like America

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    Re: Another reason to not like America

    Originally posted by Shiro
    Today I found a new reason why people don't like America.

    American soldiers can kill innocent people, American soldiers can rape girls in countries where they are for war, that is all allowed.
    Guess what, Sherlock, this could apply to anyone, including people in the Netherlands; they can kill innocent people, they can rape girls, but they do write biased opinions after misconstruing facts.





    Notice the boldface "can" and the boldface "do", because I'm not talking about carried out intent (do), rather I'm talking about ability to do so (can.)

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    The American wouldn't like that either if Iraqi troops went to Washington to free the Iraqis.
    Ha Ha Ha Ha ...............good one.

    We have allowed our troops to face trial in other countries for crimes they committed to many times to count. Take
    THIS case for example. These guys only got 7 years in Japan, they would have got life, possibly the death penalty in the US. To say something like

    American soldiers can kill innocent people, American soldiers can rape girls in countries where they are for war, that is all allowed. And if they get caught and brought to the International Court, well, then America will free them.
    is just ridiculous.

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    Shiro - please post where you got this information, as I would like to read it.
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    It's just another ..........ed up UN idea, which's doomed to failure. I know for a fact that most Americans are not going to let foreign troops onto American soil to collect SUSPECTED criminals...
    Yes, and why should the Dutch allow your American troops come here and free Americans?

    Guess what, Sherlock, this could apply to anyone, including people in the Netherlands; they can kill innocent people, they can rape girls, but they do write biased opinions after misconstruing facts.
    I suggest you read the whole post and not just pick up a few lines. Ofcourse soldiers of all countries can do such, but that was not the point of my posting. The point was that the US can decide to send troops to some country to free American who are for trial in that country. And I'm sure they won't allow troops from other countries coming to the US to free their people.

    I got the news from a Dutch paper. But there are some English language sources.

    http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/10/icc1005.htm
    http://www.usaforicc.org/facts_news.html
    http://www.pacificnews.org/content/p.../0507snub.html
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/may2002/icc-m07.shtml
    Last edited by Shiro; 06-08-2002 at 12:30 PM.

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    How many Americans are on this so called "international court" What percentage of these people are from other countries that hate the US?
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    America is like a friendly dog in a small room, every time it wags its tail it nocks something over.

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    Originally posted by Aran Elus
    America is like a friendly dog in a small room, every time it wags its tail it nocks something over.

    LMAO that's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, yet the funny.........lol
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    elchulo2002:
    According to the member list, each country participating has one person in the court. One of the vice-chairmen is an American.

    I don't know how many people are from countries that hate the US, since I don't know which countries hate the US. Perhaps France, some Arabic countries. I don't know.

    But note that the International Court is not against countries, but it judges individual people.

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    Wouldn't you think that if the US found out that a couple of these "juries", "judges" or whatever they are hate the US, they would consider the trial to be unfair and perhaps they would want their citizens to be tried somewhere else? Well maybe these people, none of them hate the US, well then I guess there wouldn't be so much of a reason for the US to deem the trial unfair, but how knows. I think it was you who said that the US would only pull out their citizens if they thought the trial was unfair not ALWAYS
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    >Wouldn't you think that if the US found out that a couple of
    >these "juries", "judges" or whatever they are hate the US, they
    >would consider the trial to be unfair and perhaps they would
    >want their citizens to be tried somewhere else?

    Sure. But is it really necessary to use violence then? I'm sure there are non-violent ways to solve such situations.

    >I think it was you who said that the US would only pull out their
    >citizens if they thought the trial was unfair not ALWAYS

    Yes, they will only pull out their citizens if they think that the trial is unfair. But one can wonder when a trial is unfair. And if there are unfair trials, then no one will trust the International Court.

    In other threads I've written that I'm not against the US people, which I still am, but I often find US politics making strange or even bad decisions. I started this thread just to get some reactions of the Americans on this board, just to learn how Americans think about this situation. It is always fascinating me how people are thinking, I was born on the other side of the world and now living here in the Netherlands, the Dutch they are have so-called 'Polder-model' politics, which means that they want to solve every problem by talking about it. I like that very much since I hate violence and military. But I know that military is necessary, mainly since people want power and money and therefore will always be using violence to reach such goals.

    And that's also why it is really making me angry that the US is doing things like this. In my opinion, very well developed countries like a lot of European countries and America, it must be possible to solve problems by talking about it.

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    >>Yes, and why should the Dutch allow your American troops come here and free Americans?<<

    jesus...you're talking about two completely different things....1) a international police force consisting of troops from other countries (possibly enemies of the US) snatching up our citizens because a country like Iraq has accused them of crimes. VS. 2) a government (US) rescuing its citizens from being imprisoned by a "authority" that it does not recognize...

    Think of it this way...if you were being detained for a bogus crime by a orginization in which you ENEMIES have an equal vote and can bring your citizens to trial...wouldn't you want you government to come get you. I don't know what being Dutch is like, but a US citizen takes pride that his government is willing to protect its citizens abroad...sucks to be Dutch i guess...

    Your attitude is typical of the idiots that infect Europe. Let me ask you this, what's the difference betweent the ICC and International War Crimes Tribunal? If you CAN answer that question for us, i think your moranity will become clear to everyone....

    The main point of my post was to get you to share your research, which you have not done, not your misguided hatred of American politics...

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    >>Sure. But is it really necessary to use violence then

    I sincerely doubt that they'd use violence. They're just authorizing that violence CAN be used in extreme cases where all other routes have been exhausted.

    >>it must be possible to solve problems by talking about it.

    It usually is, but could you imagine what would have ensued if we tried to sit down and have a pow-wow with Hitler? A nice, friendly chat with Marx? Tea time with Osama? What are you? Some kind of hippie? Alright, I'll admit that it's a nice idea that everyone is open-minded and willing to talk about things, but some people aren't - some people just want war, etc.

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    >jesus...you're talking about two completely different things....1)
    >a international police force consisting of troops from other
    >countries (possibly enemies of the US) snatching up our citizens
    >because a country like Iraq has accused them of crimes. VS. 2) a
    >government (US) rescuing its citizens from being imprisoned by
    >a "authority" that it does not recognize...

    You haven't read the postings, isn't it?

    Rescueing its citizens? If their citizens are innocent, then there is no need to rescue. And if so, there is no need to use violence for such. But perhaps the American are not so strong in debating so they have to use violence to get what they want.

    >but a US citizen takes pride that his government is willing to
    >protect its citizens abroad.

    Protection against what? Notice that there other countries also have prisoners in the US. The US is more dangerous to prisoners than most European countries, we don't kill people if they are found guilty for whatever. But that's not what this thread is about.

    >Your attitude is typical of the idiots that infect Europe.

    Sure.

    I guess my English is more worse than I thought, so many people not understanding what I'm talking about.

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    >I sincerely doubt that they'd use violence.

    Well, I also doubt it. But it is just the idea. The idea that they have accepted that law.

    >It usually is, but could you imagine what would have ensued if
    >we tried to sit down and have a pow-wow with Hitler?

    In the beginning, countries were really friendly against Hitler. The violence started when he began the war. And ofcourse then you can't have a nice chat with him and ask to stop. But that is a very different situation from this. There are people who are caught since they are suspected from war crimes and therefor they are brought to the trial. If their trial is unfair, then it is strange to use violent to get them away isn't it? There would be so many other non-violent solutions to solve that situation.

    >but some people aren't - some people just want war, etc.

    Yes, it is sad but it is true. BTW, I'm not a hippie, at least I think I'm not, I'm just someone who is against violence.

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    Well I am not saying that they should use violence but if all other tactics fail, guess you gotta do what you gotta do buddy.
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