2 Million troops on the border

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    2 Million troops on the border

    Just a quater million pakistan troops are facing two million indian solders on the Line of controll in Kashmir. The Indian prime minister has called on the troops to fight a decesive battle.. India for the first time in 50 years is now ready to cross the LOC(Line of controll) to capture pakistan held kashmir and eradicate all the militant groups.. Do you think there will be a war.. If so who will win..

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    Since India is already shelling the area, and India seems up for a war I can see it being more likely than not.

    If the war stays conventional, the people selling weapons will win, the innocent people living in the combat areas will lose.
    However, given the context of the question, I think India would win, ie make territorial advances and acheive their aims, the rest of the worlds response and the aftermath would be interesting to say the least.

    If NBC is used I should imagine everyone will lose.
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    Well i think India had enough.. Instead og bleeding slowly to death in the hands of the terrorist.. It is better for it to finish this affair once for all...

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    nah i think pakistan will win, since india has too many corrupted military officers.
    remember kargil...

    realisticly speaking: there will be no war, but only short battles.
    (like usual)

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    noone wins in these kinds of war except for the ppl who sells the wepons as rob mentioned b4. but the country that will "WIN" the war, would proly depend on the kind of alliance
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    that is true. india has been putting up with terrorism for a pretty long time. and it is about time to take back kashmir which was unjustly taken.

    i think it is only fair, dont you think so?
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    Yes i think so...
    And what corruption in Kargil.. India won the kargil. Some people here dont know what they are speaking about...

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    May I start by talking about Spiderman? [Yes, I know I should be writing about war, and terrorism, and how sad it is to live in a bad neighbourhood, but bear with me.] The Spiderman, by the way, is not the record-making movie released a couple of weeks ago, but the comic-book that began it all forty years ago.




    The tale runs that young Peter Parker, a neurotic teenager, gained spider-powers after being bitten by a 'radio-active' spider. His first reaction was to use his powers only as much as it would benefit him. While leaving a television studio one day, he allowed a burglar to escape; asked why, he shrugged and told the guards that it was none of his business. Later that day, the same criminal killed Parker's beloved uncle, Ben. The story ended with the moral: 'With great power comes great responsibility.'

    Think of this as an allegory for what is happening in South Asia. The "great power" is the United States. Ben Parker, the victim who was let down, however accidentally, is the Indian public. And the burglar? Well, I leave that to you!

    After the attack on Parliament on December 13 last year, there was immense international pressure on India. The recurrent motif was that Delhi should not react in haste. The Americans, specifically, were insistent that India give General Musharraf more time to act against the militants running amok in his country. While the Government of India arranged for the Indian Army to be deployed in strength on the border, there was no crossing of the international border. [Nor, for that matter, of the Line of Control.] But what was the result?

    The training camps, as many as one hundred of them, are back in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir [call it what you will]. India believes that up to three thousand 'volunteers' are being instructed in the finer details of their chosen craft in these outposts.

    Next, there have been reports coming out of Pakistan that General Musharraf struck a devil's bargain with some militant outfits before that farcical referendum. [These allegations have been made by Pakistanis and independent Western journalists, not Indians.] It seems that three of every four militants who were imprisoned following American pressure have been released.

    So much for the fruits of India's restraint! Small wonder then if the leadership in Delhi has little faith in the soothing words coming out of Washington. If there is a measure of anger against Pakistan, there is also disgust at what India perceives as the United States' double-dealing vis-a-vis South Asia.

    From Delhi's perspective, the United States has done precisely nothing to put pressure on General Musharraf, which is precisely what it had promised back in December. Instead, in the name of strengthening its ally in the 'war against terrorism' the United States has given General Musharraf a blank cheque in South Asia. I am not saying this is necessarily correct, but it is an accurate report of how Delhi feels.

    General Musharraf is in a much better position to ward off Indian retaliation in some ways than he was in December. He has had time to mend fences with some of the militant groups, if not all of them. He has had time to ensure that his troops have taken their base positions. He has given the militants enough breathing space until the snow melted in the Himalayan passes.

    What has India gained? Nothing much. A soldier's comment sums up the mood rather well. "Previously, they [the terrorists] used to attack us directly. Now that we are posted at the border in full strength, they are making a target of our wives and children instead."

    Obviously, the atmosphere, both in the armed services and among civilians, is one that is sullen.

    I believe that there is little room any longer for a third party to intervene as the United States did five months ago. When the Union home minister announced in Parliament that India must look to its own defences, he spoke as much to Washington as to Islamabad.

    But what exactly are India's options? Speaking of putting diplomatic pressure, as the Left continues to do, is silly. The only nation capable of doing so is the United States -- and it shall not do anything of the kind until the campaign ends in Afghanistan. Business links between India and Pakistan were minuscule at the best of times, so snapping them is little more than a gesture. Stopping cricket matches isn't a gesture that will shake militant groups. What does that leave but armed retaliation in some measure?

    There is little talk any longer in New Delhi of "calibrated responses" as there used to be immediately after the December 13 attack. I am afraid any minister who speaks in such a manner would invite derision at best. The Congress (I) spokesman got it right when he said that asking the high commissioner of Pakistan to leave Delhi was something that should have been done a long time ago. And Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa has already asked for a declaration of war. The interesting point about this last fact is that even in the deep South there is a genuine dislike for Pakistan. Obviously, pressure is mounting across India for Delhi to take some tangible action.

    And the mood in Delhi too has shifted. It is no longer a question of 'whether' but of 'when' as one man put it to me.

    Can we trust the Americans when they say that General Musharraf can deliver the goods, and any replacement would be worse? We have heard that story before -- only to see the wolf descend upon innocent women and children in Kashmir.

    But remember the moral of Spiderman, you Americans! Ignore the growing intolerance and fundamentalism in Pakistan at your own peril; exercise your power now, or weep later over slain innocents of your own!

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    is kashmir/terrorist attacks worth a nuclear war over ???? no, what is ????

    conventional war ??? not for outsiders to say really is it ???

    i personally feel the USA has little understanding about other nations, to India fighting Pakistan is similar to the US 'war on terrorism', the USA has understandably gone bananas over Bin Laden, but basically speaking didn't give a damn about the IRA blowing up London.....

    nothing is ever black and white, but India has generally speaking not been the aggressor in any of its wars.
    simplistically speaking (its more complicated) they were not the aggressor in 1947, 1965 and 1971 with Pakistan nor in 1962 by communist china. and there are other incursions/skirmishes where generally speaking they were not the aggressor...

    the wars with pakistan were always fought with one eye on the threat from China which limited India's effectiveness, and i don't recall India being beaten except by China (which still occupies Indian land).

    India is a western style democracy, Pakistan a military dictatorship with links to Islamic fundamentalists whatever they say.....they only 'pretend' to arrest them....
    China is also a dictatorship, and used to be very aggressive too...Tibet, attacking India etc.....

    but all this being said, i think Indians ought to realise, that within Pakistan and many islamic countries, a fine line is being tread, the Pakistani leaders have to be very careful in treatment of the fundamentalists because of public opinion, and lest they take over the country....better the devil you know.....i'm sure you'd prefer Pakistan as it is rather than a strict Islamic state.

    and i wish both sides would shut up about nuclear war...good grief.....millions and millions could die, its not worth it !!!

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    good grief, logged out again !!!!
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    the indian-pakistani conflict is nothing like the american war on terror. our attack was unprecidented. india has been in conflict for a long time, especially between hindu and muslim portions of the country. but i'm not going to pretend i know more than an actual resident of the country...

    a better question to ask is: why is there a conflict? then act upon the answer to that question. a decisive victory will not make matters better. it will show india as an aggressor, and pakistan as a weak and defenseless nation. (they are outnumbered 8 to 1).

    this tough talk will accomplish nothing. even if there is a war, i doubt anyone will care. (except for you, vasanth, as a resident of india). no matter what reasons either country has for declaring war, it will end again in a stalemate, with more people dead, border lines inched in a direction, and a un-brokered peace agreement.

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    Don't blame the problems on the americans. I will be the first to admit that America is not perfect. With great power comes great responsibility, yes that is true but with it comes many hard choices. America is usually the first to come to the aid of countries in trouble, but what response do we get? We get the spite of the countries we help, we get outcries from every other country that we did stuff wrong. We are the so called "great western evil" When things start going wrong we either get yelled at to help or yelled at when we help. Yes I do feel bad for what is happening in other countries especially india. Don't take all that wrong but I'm tired of seeing people blame america for all their problems. Netherlands blaming the U.S. for their increase in crime, Germany screaming in outrage that a US base is cutting down some trees while everyday you see hundreds of trees being cut down my germans without a tear shed. Sorry if I have offended anyone but that was just my 2 cents... (on a side note CNN is so biased it ain't funny)
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    Originally posted by lostminds
    Don't blame the problems on the americans. I will be the first to admit that America is not perfect. With great power comes great responsibility, yes that is true but with it comes many hard choices. America is usually the first to come to the aid of countries in trouble, but what response do we get? We get the spite of the countries we help, we get outcries from every other country that we did stuff wrong. We are the so called "great western evil" When things start going wrong we either get yelled at to help or yelled at when we help. Yes I do feel bad for what is happening in other countries especially india. Don't take all that wrong but I'm tired of seeing people blame america for all their problems. Netherlands blaming the U.S. for their increase in crime, Germany screaming in outrage that a US base is cutting down some trees while everyday you see hundreds of trees being cut down my germans without a tear shed. Sorry if I have offended anyone but that was just my 2 cents... (on a side note CNN is so biased it ain't funny)
    i agree
    and the Uk is generally the US's most loyal ally, so most people in the UK agree too.
    nobody's blaming anything on the US apart from the Indian gentlemen thinks you interfere generally on the side of Pakistan, which is probably largely true from his point of view, but if so its possibly a responce to the great help Pakistan has been in the 'war on terror'.....my own gripe is that the UK also had its own mini war on terror, and most Americans ive spoke to were not sympathetic especially with the result that some would say we lost it.......

    i could be wrong but it seems to me the USA has relatively little understanding of everyone elses wars on terror...

    India/pakistan war is between them, its nobody elses fault....but altho india will be the agressor this time, they will be doing it cos they are sick of terror attacks.....
    i would expect india to win a major victory if they attack, but i'm not sure where it will get them, possibly may result in a phyrric victory giving more voice to extremism in Pakistan...

    and if anyone throws nukes around, we could all suffer from the fallout..... that would be insane.....
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    i would expect india to win a major victory if they attack, but i'm not sure where it will get them
    i know where it will get them. it will be a repetition of what happened when india got independence from the british in 1947. there were communal right everywhere: hindus vs. muslims.

    those were bloody acts and meaning-less violence. everyone was demanding that the country of india be partitioned into two different countries - india, a hindu state and pakistan, a muslim state. gandhi tried his best to keep the nation together, but the problems got worse, and they finally had to give in.

    i dunno why hindus and muslims cannot live in peace. it is the fault of both parties - i am not taking sides. if they could understand each other, none of this would be happening right now. for many of public of india and pakistan, it is more of a hindu-muslim war than an india-pakistan war!

    even if india wins the war, it will just result in intra-national terrorism and riots like the ones going on in gujarat right now. i am disgusted of these riots. (one of the reasons i left gujarat and india - i got desperate) to tell the truth i was tired and kinda afraid too. anyway, war is not the solution.

    but from the situation right now, PM Vajpayee has no option. The only option India has is to go to war. without help from USA or the UN, the war WILL happen. i hope someone will do something about it...
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    I do agree that there is a fight between Hindu's and Muslims but i feel that it is only a segment of the society. Both sides do have their part of extremist. But if you see there execpt Gujarath in other places they are living with harmony.. But one thing i am not able comprahend is why is that where ever there is a muslim country ... Why are they not able to live in peace with a neighbouring country...

    And i do blame the Americans for playing a double eged sword game. For them it looks like one part of terrorism is not the same as terrorism in the other part. All these days the world used to shout at India saying that it gave no rights to the people of kashmir.

    Now India is prepariong for an ELection in kashmir where any one from the Huriyat can also participate.. And now we see steped up violence.. From last 4 months itself India has killed more than 600 cross border terrorists. And here comes a bomb to India.. The senior huriyat leader Lone who was ready for elections and also oposed the foreign militants in Kashmir Gets killed...


    How the hell can it be freedom strugle if the terrorists Massacring childrens and women in kashmir.. Are they killing their own people for freedom..

    And when some one said that no country will care if there is a war.. America will. Because it has its troops in Pakistan and a war between the countries will affect it's war in afganistan.

    Lets wait and see what happens time will speak for itself..

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