School Shooting in Germany

Golden Bunny · 04-26-2002, 11:59 AM

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"ERFURT, Germany (April 26) - An expelled student dressed in black and carrying two guns opened fire in his former school Friday, killing 17 people before shooting himself as commandos closed in, police and witnesses said. It was one of the deadliest school shootings in recent history.

During the rampage, a handwritten sign reading ''HILFE'' - ''Help'' - was pasted to a fourth-floor window, and behind it a girl could be seen in the room. Police who later searched the Johann Gutenberg Gymnasium - which had students from grades five through 12 - said they found bodies strewn in hallways, and even bathrooms.

''We found a horrible scene,'' police spokesman Manfred Etzel told N-TV television.

The death toll matched that of the 1996 shooting at an elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland, where 16 children, a teacher and the gunman died. Fifteen people, included two teen-age gunmen, died in the April 1999 shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

The 19-year-old gunman at Johann Gutenberg fired at random with a handgun and another weapon, apparently a shotgun, police said. The unidentified teen had been kicked out of the school several weeks ago.

As police closed in, the gunman shot himself in a classroom where he was barricaded. Among the other dead were 14 teachers, two students and a policeman - who was among the first to charge into the building after a janitor called for help at about 11 a.m - Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's office said.

Schroeder's office said the chancellor was ''horrified'' by the shooting.

The remaining 180 students were safely evacuated from the school, located in a residential area of the eastern city of Erfurt. After searching the building, police said they could not confirm accounts by school students that there was a second gunman.

Like other parts of the former communist East Germany, Erfurt, a city of 220,000 about 150 miles southwest of Berlin, has been economically struggling. The school, housed in a 1908 building, has a high academic reputation.

Shocked students who fled the shooting reported seeing a man dressed all in black roaming the hallways with a gun.

''I heard shooting and thought it was a joke,'' said 13-year-old Melanie Steinbrueck, choking back tears. ''But then I saw a teacher dead in the hallway in front of Room 209 and a gunman in black carrying a weapon.''

''The guy was dressed all in black - gloves, cap, everything was black,'' said Juliane Blank, 13. ''He must have opened the door without being heard and forced his way into the classroom.''

''We ran out into the hallways. We just wanted to get out,'' she said.

Sixth-grader Martin Streng said he was in math class when he heard gunfire coming from a classroom down the hall. As he and other students filed into the hallway to flee the building, they saw a man with a gun down the corridor behind them, Streng said.

Outside the school, a police officer with a megaphone urged parents to register their children's names before leaving the scene. Groups of dazed and shocked students huddled in the street, hugging and crying. Ambulances and police cars massed in front of the school.

It was Germany's second school shooting in recent months. In February, a 22-year-old German who recently lost his job, shot and killed two former bosses and his old high school's principal in a rampage outside Munich.

In what may be the deadliest mass killing at a school, a farmer angry about his tax bill set off dynamite at a school in Bath, Mich., on May 18, 1927, killing 43 people."

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lostminds · 04-26-2002, 12:13 PM

yes it is, what is the world coming to?

Golden Bunny · 04-26-2002, 01:31 PM

I don't know.

RobR · 04-26-2002, 02:36 PM

Makes you realise the sheer irrelevance of your own problems.

ethic · 04-26-2002, 03:04 PM

Germany needs better gun-control laws.

golfinguy4 · 04-26-2002, 04:31 PM

Guns do not kill people. There has to be someone to pull the trigger.

Aran · 04-26-2002, 04:44 PM

we should send some shrinks over there...

jinx · 04-26-2002, 05:07 PM

Would they get shot too?

04-26-2002, 05:18 PM

shocking.

**nvoigt** · 04-26-2002, 05:18 PM

>Germany needs better gun-control laws.

We have. Today, the Parliament was discussing gun control laws, arguing about how to even prevent knives and fake guns in school. This guy was 19 and had a permit to own a handgun, something you don't obtain without serious background checks. No clue how he got the pump-gun. He was described as friendly and forthcomming by his classmates. No loony who was alone and brooding over his PC playing violent games. We will have a hard time finding enough stereotypes to satisfy everyone here.

ygfperson · 04-26-2002, 06:10 PM

my school prohibits knives and fake guns. we have a "code white" drill where we hide in the corner, close the door, and keep quiet. it's specious reasoning.

seditee · 04-26-2002, 07:09 PM

well look at japan....a couple of years ago with the dude that went into a classroom and started stabbing little boys and girls like 6 year olds!!! it's everywhere.

**nvoigt** · 04-27-2002, 03:47 AM

Update: The gunman was member of a hunting and rifles club. He owned both weapons legally. Why anyone would get a licence to own a pump gun is totally beyond me though.

The opposition's candidate for head of state already proclaimed that 'killer games' are to be the reason for this bloodshed. Let's see the facts: He was a very social guy, legally owned a pump gun because of his rifle club and no one knows if he even had access to a computer... and it's a computer games fault ? Wow... there goes my vote, bye bye.

stevey · 04-27-2002, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Shiro
Just let Series X4 1.0 go his way. He lives in his own world, let him stay there.

Quote:

Originally posted by Shiro
Just let Series X4 1.0 go his way. He lives in his own world, let him stay there.

well i'm opinionated, swear and tell dirty jokes, including racist, sexist, anti-religous etc but i genuinely mean no offense.
(except to retards and Scientologists

)

i don't agree Shiro, i have 'reported' him, what if (unlikely i know) a relative of the deceased or of some other massacre were reading ???

ps see i am not afraid to identify myself as a 'reporter' !!!

re gun contol, its a good idea !! but i think the UK has probably the most restrictive gun-contol in the whole world, and we had Dunblane and other massacres....in Switzerland i understand that they have an assualt rifle in most homes (citizen army), and they don't seem to have a problem...correct me if i'm wrong..

Shiro · 04-27-2002, 11:15 AM

>i don't agree Shiro, i have 'reported' him, what if (unlikely i
>know) a relative of the deceased or of some other massacre
>were reading ???

Thats true.

Things like this are really cruel. I've never had something like this in my life, so I cannot imagine what those people feel. But I know it must be very very bad. It's something they will never forget.

But my point was that we would not answer Series X4 1.0 's posts, he seems to kicking on posting things like this. And the more we react, the heavier he will react.

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nvoigt the hat of redundancy hat Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 2,770	>Germany needs better gun-control laws. We have. Today, the Parliament was discussing gun control laws, arguing about how to even prevent knives and fake guns in school. This guy was 19 and had a permit to own a handgun, something you don't obtain without serious background checks. No clue how he got the pump-gun. He was described as friendly and forthcomming by his classmates. No loony who was alone and brooding over his PC playing violent games. We will have a hard time finding enough stereotypes to satisfy everyone here. __________________ hth -nv She was so Blonde, she spent 20 minutes looking at the orange juice can because it said "Concentrate." When in doubt, read the FAQ. Then ask a smart question.
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ygfperson Just because Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,502	my school prohibits knives and fake guns. we have a "code white" drill where we hide in the corner, close the door, and keep quiet. it's specious reasoning.
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04-27-2002, 03:47 AM	#13
nvoigt the hat of redundancy hat Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 2,770	Update: The gunman was member of a hunting and rifles club. He owned both weapons legally. Why anyone would get a licence to own a pump gun is totally beyond me though. The opposition's candidate for head of state already proclaimed that 'killer games' are to be the reason for this bloodshed. Let's see the facts: He was a very social guy, legally owned a pump gun because of his rifle club and no one knows if he even had access to a computer... and it's a computer games fault ? Wow... there goes my vote, bye bye. __________________ hth -nv She was so Blonde, she spent 20 minutes looking at the orange juice can because it said "Concentrate." When in doubt, read the FAQ. Then ask a smart question.
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Shiro .... Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Groningen (NL) Posts: 2,386	>i don't agree Shiro, i have 'reported' him, what if (unlikely i >know) a relative of the deceased or of some other massacre >were reading ??? Thats true. Things like this are really cruel. I've never had something like this in my life, so I cannot imagine what those people feel. But I know it must be very very bad. It's something they will never forget. But my point was that we would not answer Series X4 1.0 's posts, he seems to kicking on posting things like this. And the more we react, the heavier he will react.
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