Why america sucks

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    We all know where the aussies are, moron. He was talking about other people.

    Oh, and I'm so dreadfully sorry for not having an australian accent. I know it must be terrible for you to have to hear us use our American accents on your Australian words. Give me a break here. It's like yelling at someone for not being able to pronounce some arbitrary Spanish word.


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    But hey why stop now? We can cream you in both cricket and rugby so the way I see it we're on top.


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    That may be so, but I could kick your collective euro-ass in DDR 5th mix.
    The cricket and rugy teams mentioned in that quote are clearly the AUSTRALIAN teams. Not in any way affiliated with any European nation what so ever.
    Read the damn post before you shoot your mouth off.
    And as far as pronounciations go, look at the thread's title, "Why america sucks". America sucks because you can't pronounce simple English. You don't need an "Australian accent" to prounounce those names, the entire rest of the world seems to manage just fine with what ever accents they use.
    And while I'm talking about accents, what the hell is that Americanised (probbly should have spelt that Americanized) Australian accent? Could you please point out ONE actual Australian who speaks like that.
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    "But what will happen with Bin Laden?"

    I don't think Bin Laden will ever face a court, if he's captured he will be killed.

    Simply because America will not face the possiblity of an OJ-simpsonesc trial. + How the hell are they going to find an unbiased jury?

    "I'm really wondering why the Americans brought so many military to Afghanistan just to catch Bin Laden."

    The troops, were to topple the Taliban, as well as to "capture" Bin Laden.

    "Eliminating terrorism? No, ofcourse not. Okay, they can catch members of Al Quaeda there, but that isn't the only terrorism network"

    True, but Al Quaeda certainly seems to be the most dangerous. Furthermore its about sending a message: Governments that support terrorist actions will not go unpunished (admitedly its a somewhat hypocritical message, what it's really saying is that governments that support anti-western terrorists will not be tolerated)

    Of course once again the retoric coming from Bush is utterly rediculous, terrorism will never be elliminated, and the idea that ALL terrorism is evil on "principle" is also rediculous: Would terrorist actions by freedom fighters acting against Hitler's government have been viewed as "evil"... i think not.

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    >I don't think Bin Laden will ever face a court, if he's captured he
    >will be killed.
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    >Simply because America will not face the possiblity of an OJ-
    >simpsonesc trial. + How the hell are they going to find an
    >unbiased jury?

    You take the assumption that the Americans will capture Bin Laden. It is possible, but it is also possible that a different nation captures him. In that case I'm not sure that Bin Laden will be brought to America. He could be brought to the International court.

    I agree it will be very difficult to find an unbiased jury, but isn't it the same with Milosevic? He is now captured and at International court. So it sure is possible to have a trial with Bin Laden.

    >True, but Al Quaeda certainly seems to be the most dangerous.

    Don't know. How do they measure dangerous? I think it's because Al Quaeda put itself in the news.

    >what it's really saying is that governments that support anti-
    >western terrorists will not be tolerated)

    I think the people in Arabia will interpret it as: "America wants us to have pro-American governments."

    I agree that terrorism will never be eliminated. I often think that a war against terrorism is not the solution for eliminating terrorists. It enforces the anti-Western feelings in countries where actions against terrorists are being done. The world leaders should better think: "Why is there terrorism?" instead of "How can we eliminate terrorism?".

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    >>The cricket and rugy teams mentioned in that quote are clearly the AUSTRALIAN teams. Not in any way affiliated with any European nation what so ever.<<

    Oh yes, quite clearly. Wait, again, could you show me how you clarified that it was australian teams before you flamed the guy for not knowing?


    >>Read the damn post before you shoot your mouth off.

    And indeed I did.

    >>And as far as pronounciations go, look at the thread's title, "Why america sucks". America sucks because you can't pronounce simple English. You don't need an "Australian accent" to prounounce those names, the entire rest of the world seems to manage just fine with what ever accents they use.<<

    Well, see, in English you WOULD pronounce it "brisbane" instead of "brisben"and "Canberra" would be pronounced as such - "can-bear-a". When was the last time you took an English class again?

    >>And while I'm talking about accents, what the hell is that Americanised (probbly should have spelt that Americanized) Australian accent? Could you please point out ONE actual Australian who speaks like that.<<

    You're asking me? Go ask Hollywood.

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    Wow, this thread has so many tangents - it's great!

    Kylie can't sing, but she's hot.

    Scourfish is right - the onyl reason Canada's even in existance is so that those of us 19-20 can go support their border towns by drinking and being kicked out of your casinos.

    shtarker - your locations says merely "Aust", which could be Australia or Austria, so Scourfish really didn't make an error in saying that you were European, since you yourself didn't make it clear until later.

    For the record, I believe the assault weapons laws (from the Brady Bill) only apply to people buying new ones. I don't think it means the gov't will take away the M16 and bazooka I have in my closet.

    Americans will pronounce things the way Australians want when the Australians tell us the way they want it pronounced, and on a large scale.

    As for the internationa anti-terrorism unit - what about coutnries that aren't in the UN? Are they just out in the cold? Also, if countries are protected by the elite group, who controls the group? Most likely a board or whatever made up of a few countries.

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    "I agree it will be very difficult to find an unbiased jury, but isn't it the same with Milosevic? He is now captured and at International court. So it sure is possible to have a trial with Bin Laden. "

    Thats true, but i suspect bringing the case against Bin Laden will be harder than against Milosevic.

    "Don't know. How do they measure dangerous? I think it's because Al Quaeda put itself in the news. "

    Well, religious based terrorist are far more dangerous than non-religious terrorists, simply because they don't care whether they die, or whether their people die. And as far as I'm aware Al Quadea is the most powerfull network of religious terrorists in the world due to its size and financial status.

    "I think the people in Arabia will interpret it as: "America wants us to have pro-American governments." "

    I don't think it's fair to go that far..... though with the impending war on Iraq i realise many will feel that way.

    " I often think that a war against terrorism is not the solution for eliminating terrorists. It enforces the anti-Western feelings in countries where actions against terrorists are being done. The world leaders should better think: "Why is there terrorism?" instead of "How can we eliminate terrorism?"."

    There should certainly be alot of consideration given to why these problem's have occured. However, nations can never be seen to be giving in to terroists; that clears the way for people to continually hold the world to ransom.

    Also of note is that the terrorist's who commit these attrocities have EXTREMIST points of view: Bin Laden wants the WHOLE WORLD to be an Islamic state, futher more he considers ANY action taken against ANY muslim state to be an attack on Islam, which he and his followers will fight to the death to avenge.

    That kind of terroism whilst definately aggrivated by previous US foreign policy is not caused by it.

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    >Thats true, but i suspect bringing the case against Bin Laden
    >will be harder than against Milosevic.

    Yes, that's a good point. Bin Laden operates on a larger scale than Milosevic did.

    >Well, religious based terrorist are far more dangerous than non-
    >religious terrorists, simply because they don't care whether they
    >die, or whether their people die. And as far as I'm aware Al
    >Quadea is the most powerfull network of religious terrorists in
    >the world due to its size and financial status.

    I don't know exactly about Al Quaeda's status, but I do know that they are powerful.

    But I don't think religious based terrorists are more dangerous than none religious terrorists when speaking in terms with purpose to win. The ETA in the northern part of Spain and other nationalistic terrorists say they will die for the freedom of their country.

    But I do think that religious based terrorists have more power since they are "representing" a larger community. As you stated, Bin Laden considers an attack at an Arabic country as an attack on the whole Islam.

    >I don't think it's fair to go that far..... though with the impending
    >war on Iraq i realise many will feel that way.

    Bush has pointed to several Arabic, and non-Arabic, states and said the feed terrorism, they are bad countries. And America is leading the 'war against terrorism'. That's the reason why I think many Arabic people feel it's America against them.

    Except from the UK, there are no countries in Europe, South America etc., who act in such a way.

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    "But I don't think religious based terrorists are more dangerous than none religious terrorists when speaking in terms with purpose to win. The ETA in the northern part of Spain and other nationalistic terrorists say they will die for the freedom of their country."

    They might well die, but they will be FAR more reluctant to do so than religious terrorists who WELCOME dying: They believe (atleast the Islamic terrorists do) that if they die fighting to protect Islam they automatically go to heaven no matter what they have done previously.

    There is a reason you ONLY see suicide bombers in religious conflicts.

    Also non-religious terrorists "care" about the lives of a specific group/groups of people, whilst religious terrorists obviously care, they would be quite willing for thousands/millions of their OWN people to die. Simply because death means little to them.

    Non-religious terrorists use terrorism as a means to an end, and do so reluctantly; When IRA bombers are interviewed they normally have the attitude that killing the people they did was "bad" but that the cause was worth it. Religious terrorists on the other hand DO NOT see the killing of civilians as bad! Bin Laden has said many times that he makes NO DISTINCTION between military/political and civilian targets. They are all the same, they should all be wiped out etc. etc.

    "Bush has pointed to several Arabic, and non-Arabic, states and said the feed terrorism, they are bad countries. And America is leading the 'war against terrorism'. That's the reason why I think many Arabic people feel it's America against them. "

    Thats is true, but then many of those states DO harbour terrorist organisations.

    Of course what actions should be taken and how they should be taken should be the thought through carefully and done tactfully...... which of course America is NOT doing.

    The problem is they don't appear to have any sense of diplomacy: Bush is ****ING moron for saying it was a "crusade against evil". If only the rhetoric coming from the US could lose its "gung-ho: we can do anything we want" nature a lot of of the anti-US feelings could be reduced.

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    I think Americans thought they lived in a big bulletproof bubble and whatever they did to other countries would have no consequences. September 11th woke them up.

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    There sure are American politicians who have a sense of diplomacy. Clinton was a great leader and quite diplomatic. But Bush, well, I don't like him very much. He seems to have no sense of diplomacy. And yes, many of what the American politicians say is "America will do this" and "America will do that". So I can understand that also in Europe many people have in some way anti-US feelings. Sometimes it seems the American are operating as if they're the only one who suffers from terrorism.

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    What does that sentence tell me ? There were hundred Germans in there as well. But this is not worth noting, they weren't Americans ?
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    true true, i get what you mean...it is guess a little insulting that we consistantly fail to mention that...

    since i don't, have time to read all this gobbledy gook,

    1.) concerning the UN's bias

    The UN is BIASED AND THEY TREAT THE U.S. LIKE A DAMNED LAP DOG AND THEIR PERSONAL SERVANT BOY AND THEN THEY TELL US WE ARE ****. WE FRANLY HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
    they are biased toward the middle eastern countries and also toward leftist, liberal, and socialist, ideals, and anyone who denies this is out of their mind.

    2.) im done here cause i threw out my back the other day and its really hurting me now to sit here and type, so...
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    "they are biased toward the middle eastern countries and also toward leftist, liberal, and socialist, ideals, and anyone who denies this is out of their mind."

    What basis do you have for claiming the U.N. is biased?

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    >>Oh yes, quite clearly. Wait, again, could you show me how you clarified that it was australian teams before you flamed the guy for not knowing?

    Well fristly there is no such thing as an Austrian crciket team. I mentioned this before.
    Secondly the entire first half of the post he was quoting from made it pretty damn obvious, even without all the posts before it:
    >>why do we send each other all our crap ?????

    Its just like whats happening in the middle east.
    You sent us a couple thousand hardened (and some not so hardened) criminals, we sent you Rolf Harris. You sent us Denise Van Outen (but took her back when you reaised she was hot) we sent you Shane Warne (but took him back when he lost a bit of weight).
    Its a circle of hatred and violence driven by revenge and reprisals and spiraling out of control.
    If only our two countries could learn to peacefully co-exist. . .

    But hey why stop now? We can cream you in both cricket and rugby so the way I see it we're on top.
    >>You're asking me? Go ask Hollywood.

    That was not directed towards you in any way. This is a thread about all the things that makes America crap. Hollywood counts as at least 3.

    >>Kylie can't sing, but she's hot.

    Are you blind?
    Or maby just refusing to let go of the 80's.
    Take a close look at the video clip for fever then try to repeate that sentance.

    >>shtarker - your locations says merely "Aust", which could be Australia or Austria, so Scourfish really didn't make an error in saying that you were European, since you yourself didn't make it clear until later.

    Happy now?

    >>The UN is BIASED AND THEY TREAT THE U.S. LIKE A DAMNED LAP DOG AND THEIR PERSONAL SERVANT BOY AND THEN THEY TELL US WE ARE ****. WE FRANLY HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
    >>they are biased toward the middle eastern countries and also toward leftist, liberal, and socialist, ideals, and anyone who denies this is out of their mind.

    Interesting viewpoint.
    The UN gives an equal voice to all countries that have joined it (this is not actually true in practise, for obvious reasons the un is infact way biased towards the US, but there's enough going on toe debate about that).
    Why arn't I supprised that you consider this to be bias?

    And the point of setting up an international agency against terrorism is so that a commitie of a few different countries runs it. That way they will work together and might actually stand a chance.

    And as to measuring the dangerousness of a terrorist orginisation, its a simple formula:
    The number of people killed to the power of the number of headlined made by the act then divided by the public support for the terrorist orginisations cause.

    So for Al Quida, the number of people killed and headlines made are vrey high while public support is low, they are most dangerous.

    For Palestinian suicide bombers, the number of people killed is very low, the number of headlines decreases with each attack and there is a sort of half harted pubilc support. They are hardly dangerous at all.
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    I'm surprised to see a thread like this on such a respected board, but oh well.

    I've been cynical of the world community lately, but all I have to say is we all have dreams, fears, and daily tribulations. I bleed red, you bleed red. Why are we worrying about anything else?

    Yeah, the US has made mistakes. Yeah, every country on this planet has made mistakes. We all have our own pride for our countries, so leave it at that.

    I started to read some of these threads....I wanted to puke. Stop making excuses FOR OTHERS to dislike something. The words you type are influential, people.

    G'day.

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