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    >>That may be so, but I could kick your collective euro-ass in DDR 5th mix.

    Euro?
    Thats another reason to hate America!
    You don't even know where Australia is!
    Wait I'm sorry, prehaps thats a bit harsh I mean its only the second biggest land mass in the southern hemisphere (for all you Americans who don't know where that is: its the bottom half of the planet where the magnetic north pole is located).

    Now for all you Americans who are unused to dealing with all those big long words like "hemisphere" and "different place" I've attached a pretty picture that explains it all for you.

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    Oh and for all you Americans who cannot pronunce the word Canberra, THE SECOND 'R' IS SILENT!!!!
    And while I'm on it you do not emphasise the 'bane' in the word Brisbane. It is pronounced as though it was spelt Brisben.
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    Originally posted by shtarker
    >>That may be so, but I could kick your collective euro-ass in DDR 5th mix.

    Euro?
    Thats another reason to hate America!
    You don't even know where Australia is!
    Wait I'm sorry, prehaps thats a bit harsh I mean its only the second biggest land mass in the southern hemisphere (for all you Americans who don't know where that is: its the bottom half of the planet where the magnetic north pole is located).

    Now for all you Americans who are unused to dealing with all those big long words like "hemisphere" and "different place" I've attached a pretty picture that explains it all for you.
    I was talking to the europeans, not the koalas, man; but now that I think about it, Australia is worth beating on DDR 3rd mix.
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    >>I was talking to the europeans, not the koalas, man.

    Look at your post.
    Only England and its colonies play serious cricket.
    And although some european nations play rugby (most noteably France who just kicked Ireland twenty something to 3) right now I think we're beating them as well.
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    ok, got a lot to cover,

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    "Hey we've never done anything wrong, America is GREAT, etc. etc." which doesn't exactly help the problem.
    <

    that can be blamed on many thing namely ignorance

    >
    Perhaps, but i do think that if a person is brought up in an environment where something is treated as positive, then they find it very difficult to appraise that same subject with objectivity.
    <

    depends on the person, and how they were brought up.

    >Heh, I know that problem

    are you implying what i think you are? hehe.

    nv,

    i actually enjoy "debating" with you,

    >Remarkably, I can even find real americans to prove my point

    woops, heheh.

    >
    But we already had this discussion and it's worth another thread, not some sideline argument here. It's your laws, not mine, so do whatever you like best, earth is overpopulated anyway
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    as you say it is worth another thread but, i just don't like that you said guns were produced to kill innocents, i disagree.

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    It's easy to feel that way. 5000 lives were lost. This is a tragedy.
    However, American politicians speak about this in a way that let's the rest of the world believe it's a tragedy that 5000 *Americans* died. If it would have been 5000 Germans they wouldn't even have cared.
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    your very wrong about that, we would have reacted differently but to say we don't care is honestly very insulting to me.

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    Maybe that's not what you mean.
    I'm sure it's not what you mean. But that is how you *said* it, and that is how it is perceived by outsiders because of the nationalism. And thats wrong.
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    your right, but we all people tend to err on the side that people will take it the way it is intended and the right way, which is rarely the case...

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    I'm a criminal and can be arrested when I arrive in the US next time. Now, for a single moment, imagine Germany would do the same. Did that ? Ok.
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    this is somewhat wrong, and we are combating it as we speak.

    >Did you know Spamming is illegal in Germany ? And this is not a joke.

    the're restricting it here heavily,

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    Sending Swastikas over the net ? Even in a computer game ? *click* Welcome to Germany. You are entitled to a lawyer. If you cannot afford one, the court will get you one. You don't have to say anything, however, if you do, anything you say can be used against you in court.
    <

    this is insantiy, excuse me if im outa line cause i am somewhat but so are they, this goes a little far kinda like the french govt. trying to use U.S. courts to make "us" ban all Nazi, i think it even covered historical references on the internet.

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    shtarker,

    look have have no wish to get into this because you are ill informed, and mistake and i will point out a few places where you are so.

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    Firstly, for years you have been the ONLY country opposed to the un setting up a global anti-terrorism orginization, prefering instead to rely on your own cia and wanting other countries to trust in it as well.
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    the UN is not effective and heavily biased and innefficient, frankly our CIA can do far better.

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    Second, you have never PROVED that it was osama bin laded or any even remotly associated with him who ordered the attacks on your precious buildings.
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    yes, we have.

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    Your own constitution says that a persin is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY.
    <

    WRONG! it applies ONLY TO CITIZENS ON THE UNITED STATES!

    that assumption is still always given and he HAS BEEN PROVEN GUILTY to some extent at least...

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    Yet you remain perfectly happy to go out killing thousands of innocant (by your own definition) defencless people.
    <

    plain BS.
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    >Just to let everyone know, automatic weapons are illegal in the US for civilian use and possesion.

    wrong,

    I can legally own an AK. and many other automatic rifles, though you must be 21 and have other special permits.

    >gimme an m-16 (even if its on self-loading not auto, or if its an armalite) against a guy with a knife anyday !!!

    you cannot get any M-16, only heavily modded ones, go for the M-4,
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    >>look have have no wish to get into this because you are ill informed, and mistake and i will point out a few places where you are so.

    There are far more interesting things to argue about.

    >>the UN is not effective and heavily biased and innefficient, frankly our CIA can do far better.

    What you mean the same CIA that stopped the last round of terrorism?
    Terrorism is an international problem. They operate in more than one country and must be combatted in the country they operate in. Now I don't want your CIA operating in my country and I'm sure other people feel the same way about thier own countries. So far when ever your CIA has intefered with another country they have made a COMPLETE mess of things. They tried to intefear with Australian politics during the 70's. The end result brought Australia the closest to an all out revloution we have ever been. There is no way I ever want them coming any where near my country again!

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    Second, you have never PROVED that it was osama bin laded or any even remotly associated with him who ordered the attacks on your precious buildings.
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    yes, we have.
    And how have you proved Osama Bin Laden gulity?
    I must have been asleep through the trial.

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    Your own constitution says that a persin is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY.
    <

    WRONG! it applies ONLY TO CITIZENS ON THE UNITED STATES!
    Its that sort of thinking that makes people hate Americans.

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    Yet you remain perfectly happy to go out killing thousands of innocant (by your own definition) defencless people.
    <

    plain BS.
    Your country is out fighting a war.
    None of the people you are fighting against have ever even seen the inside of a court room.
    There is no possible way you by your own definition can call them gulity. You are therefore murdering innocent people.
    If you own a piece of land and there is an volcano on it and it ruins a
    nearby town, do you have to pay for the property damage?

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    no-one:

    The UN is not "biased", it can be inefficient, but that is because of two reasons: 1) Some of the tasks it tries to do are near impossible, and 2) Because of the USA's resistance to measures that would make it more effective.

    One can understand the USA's position in so far as that they don't really want to hand over power to a separate body...... but its for the greater good.

    shtarker:

    Bin Laden is guilty, there is no question, the internal intelligence reports proved it anyway (they were shown to UN, who concurred that they proved him guilty) further more, they found a video that SHOWED him talking about how he planned the attacks!

    And I do support the American action in Afganistan. Consider the alternative, that they sit back and do nothing:

    Anti-Western governments would then know that they could covertly fund terrorist organisations. The potential threat that these organisations represent CANNOT BE UNDERESTIMATED. If Osama Bin Laden possessed a nuclear weapon he WOULD have used it.
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    >And how have you proved Osama Bin Laden gulity?
    >I must have been asleep through the trial.

    As with any normal arrest and trial, the offender has to be arrested first to be brought up to court. And the US are trying to arrest him right now. Have you ever heard of people found guilty because they haven't been at the trial ?


    >but to say we don't care is honestly very insulting to me.

    As I said, I'm sure you aren't feeling this way. But if you listen to the speaches from the other side of the fence, this is what we perceive. 5000 American lives have been lost. What does that sentence tell me ? There were hundred Germans in there as well. But this is not worth noting, they weren't Americans ? This is not what you are feeling, but this is what your public representatives are implying. Nationalism isn't bad, but it has to be moderate. And your level of Nationalism is easy to misunderstand.

    Additionally, I know you what your politicians mean, because even if we are different countries on different continents, we have much in common. But states with different views probably cannot see what you feel. They can only hear what you say. And they hate you for what you say.


    >>Sending Swastikas over the net ?
    >this is insantiy

    Yes, maybe it is. It serves a reason here, therefore we keep it. But it illustrates the problem very well. This is our law. And you would be ........ed if we would apply it to you being outside of Germany even, don't you ? But you do the same thing with us.


    >Um, a criminal is someone who breaks the laws of a region.

    Ok. Example: You are talking about abortion in an email. This mail proves you did it. You fly to europe, visit Rome, take a look at the Sistine chapel and get arrested, because in the Vatikan, abortion is illegal, and without your knowlegde your mail used their servers. You broke their laws. And still, this scenario is pure BS. Welcome to the other side of the fence.

    >Bill of rights.

    Yes, we have laws here, too, thank you.

    Spamming is like standing on the street all night yelling. It's freedom of speech. But your freedom ends where it begins to hurt someone. If we were acting like the US, we could arrest each of your spammers when he enters. Probably even hotmail for unauthorized use of addresses... Your laws apply to your country. Not anywhere else.




    Something completely different that sucks about America:
    Those checks you have to complete when entering the US:

    "Have you participated in an organization that commited genocide from 1933-1945 ?"

    Sorry Sir, I have no clue what I did in the life before this. Have you ever slaughtered Native Americans in your past lives ?

    "Are you wanted by the FBI, DEA or CIA ?"

    How should I know ??? Why don't you ask them ?
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    >What you mean the same CIA that stopped the last round of
    >terrorism? Terrorism is an international problem. They operate in
    >more than one country and must be combatted in the country
    >they operate in.

    They operate in more than one country and should therefore be combatted not by one country but by all countries.

    >Now I don't want your CIA operating in my country and I'm sure
    >other people feel the same way about thier own countries.

    Well, I think the intelligence agencies should work together. I know the do not like that.

    By the way, at the news I heard that the Mossad is far better than the CIA. Internals of the Mossad said they could catch Bin Laden, but the Americans wanted to do it all by themselves. Intelligence experts from UK, France, Germany and even some Americans said the Mossad was far better than the CIA. But the CIA had to catch Bin Laden, else their reputation would get very bad.

    Further I think that foreign intelligence agencies operate also in your country, whereever you live. Intelligence doesn't stop at the border of your country.

    >Have you ever heard of people found guilty because they
    >haven't been at the trial ?

    Mladic and Karadzic are said to be guilty, but they haven't been at the trial.

    >Russia does have huge problems, but I don't know how much of
    >them are due to nationalistic feelings (or lack of them) Russia's
    >economic and social problems are IMO the driving forces behind
    >the wish for certain state's to split off.

    Sure economic and social problems are the main cause of the problems in Russia. But don't forget that a lot of Russians aren't Russians! Think about the regions in the Kaukausus, think about all those regions at the east of the Ural. Originally these regions weren't part of Russia and people there feel being ruled by the Russians. They want independency, however their economic state doesn't allow them. They can't afford it.

    >Again, i'm not so sure size makes a difference, Australia IS
    >HUGE, Canada is also huge yet neither of these countries have
    >quite the nationalistic fever that is seen in the US.

    Though there are small countries, also in the past, where nationalism is as heavy than currently in the US. Just take a look at some small regions in Europe: Northern-Italy, former Yugoslavia, Northern-Spain.

    My point was not that in huge countries nationalism is heavier than in small countries. But what I meant was that nationalism in some way keeps a country together. And if that is the purpose of created nationalism, then for a huge country the nationalism should be heavier than in a small country.

    I agree with you that nationalism has nothing to do with the size of the country.

    >Europe is slowly unifying (see slowly ) not because of super- pro
    >Europe naitonalism but simply because it is advantageous for
    >the member countries involved.

    I agree.

    By the way. I disagree with the statement: America sucks. It sucks at some points, but doesn't every country suck at some points?
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    >>Have you ever heard of people found guilty because they
    >>haven't been at the trial ?

    >Mladic and Karadzic are said to be guilty, but they haven't been
    >at the trial.

    Exactly what I meant. In some cases, failure to appear in court is considered a confession of guilt.
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    Has everybody gone completely insane?
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    They operate in more than one country and should therefore be combatted not by one country but by all countries.

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    Well, I think the intelligence agencies should work together. I know the do not like that.

    By the way, at the news I heard that the Mossad is far better than the CIA. Internals of the Mossad said they could catch Bin Laden, but the Americans wanted to do it all by themselves. Intelligence experts from UK, France, Germany and even some Americans said the Mossad was far better than the CIA. But the CIA had to catch Bin Laden, else their reputation would get very bad.

    Further I think that foreign intelligence agencies operate also in your country, whereever you live. Intelligence doesn't stop at the border of your country.

    Exactly!
    The CIA is completly useless and there are heaps of examples of them screwing up and thousands of people dieing as a result.
    That is why an international agency against terrorism is needed and the only possible way to do that is through the un.

    And the war in Afganistan is very differnet from a normal trial. Thousands of people will be dead before the war ends.

    A similar (in the legal sense) thing has happened to Australia.
    Christopher Skase set up a huge buisness, sent it bankrup and moved, taking all the profits, to Spain where he died, leaving huge debts in Australia.
    Its pretty damn obvious that Skase was guilty but remained in Spain where he could not stand trial. So in the eyes of the law he remains innocant to this very day.
    The only different thing here is that Australia did not declare war on Spain. Instead there was a long series of diplomatic talks that went something like this:
    Aus: Give us back Skase.
    Spain: No.
    Aus: Please.
    Spain: Still no.
    Aus: Pretty please.
    Spain: I'll think about it.
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    >>Has everybody gone insane?
    >>Kylie is an ugly old slut.

    Thats why we gave you her and kept her younger sister, Danni Minouge
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    "Has everybody gone insane?
    Kylie is an ugly old slut."

    Don't EVER dis kylie, she is truly gorgeous.

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    Originally posted by shtarker
    >>That may be so, but I could kick your collective euro-ass in DDR 5th mix.

    Euro?
    Thats another reason to hate America!
    You don't even know where Australia is!
    Wait I'm sorry, prehaps thats a bit harsh I mean its only the second biggest land mass in the southern hemisphere (for all you Americans who don't know where that is: its the bottom half of the planet where the magnetic north pole is located).

    Now for all you Americans who are unused to dealing with all those big long words like "hemisphere" and "different place" I've attached a pretty picture that explains it all for you.

    [edit]
    Oh and for all you Americans who cannot pronunce the word Canberra, THE SECOND 'R' IS SILENT!!!!
    And while I'm on it you do not emphasise the 'bane' in the word Brisbane. It is pronounced as though it was spelt Brisben.
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    We all know where the aussies are, moron. He was talking about other people.

    Oh, and I'm so dreadfully sorry for not having an australian accent. I know it must be terrible for you to have to hear us use our American accents on your Australian words. Give me a break here. It's like yelling at someone for not being able to pronounce some arbitrary Spanish word.


    And anyhow, Kylie Minogue is ugly...

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    >That is why an international agency against terrorism is needed
    >and the only possible way to do that is through the un.

    In Europe we have a International court. I think there should be something like that on world level, organised by the UN. People like Bin Laden and Karadzic should be brought to that World court.

    >And the war in Afganistan is very differnet from a normal trial.
    >Thousands of people will be dead before the war ends.

    In my opinion the war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with a trial. The situation of Mladic and Karadzic is almost the same as with Bin Laden. They are said to be guilty but are not yet brought to trial. But, there is a case. Is there already a case against Bin Laden?

    When Mladic and Karadzic are caught, they will probably be brought to the International court. But what will happen with Bin Laden? They say that he will be brought to America, but is America the only country that suffers from the terrorism of Bin Laden? Isn't it therefor more justice to bring Bin Laden to a International court?

    And finally, there is no war going on in Yugoslavia to get Mladic and Karadzic. I'm really wondering why the Americans brought so many military to Afghanistan just to catch Bin Laden. And therefor eI think that the catching Bin Laden is just one of the goals for the American. And if it is not, then the American are not really smart. Do they really think that Bin Laden will stay in Afghanistan when so many military is looking for him in Afghanistan? I don't think so. I think they already know that Bin Laden is somewhere else, so they're in Afghanistan for a different reason.

    Eliminating terrorism? No, ofcourse not. Okay, they can catch members of Al Quaeda there, but that isn't the only terrorism network. Afghanistan is a place of mountains, deserts and poor people. And in some places there are some terrorists, but I'm quite sure that most (leading) terrorists are not in Afghanistan. So eliminating terrorism isn't also the reason for the big military action in Afghanistan.

    >The only different thing here is that Australia did not declare
    >war on Spain.

    No, but America hasn't declared war to Afghanistan also. Perhaps a reason why such diplomatic talk is done is because Spain wants something back from Australia.
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