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    >they should do something, or we're not going to stop sending money over.


    Huh ? You admit some Americans are supporting a terrorist organization ? I hope you have a bunker handy, you will be bombed in the near future. Have fun while you can.

    It was your president who said there is no more grey, just black and white. Either you are with us/US, or you are with the terrorists. You say you are with the terrorists. Ooops... Or is it something else if it's your terrorists ?


    >Neither has Bin Laden, but they are both terrorists

    Well, obviously England cannot prove it. I don't think convicted criminals are allowed into parliament, and parties who are illegal should be forbidden. So in keeping it legal, they show that they cannot prove that Sinn Fein has a direct link to the IRA, which as far as I know is illegal. ( correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert )


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    Give up Stevie, the Americans don't care about anything outside the US (unless it has a dollar value for them). As we all know a war is good for business.

    They will not do anything about the IRA because it can't be fixed with a bomb.

    >>Or is it something else if it's your terrorists ?
    You mean the CIA / NSA?
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    >>Or is it something else if it's your terrorists ?
    >You mean the CIA / NSA?

    Nope, this was in reply to Arans post. He said he/americans would continue to fund the IRA. The IRA is undoubtly a terrorist organization. And as a funder of T-Orgs, the US would then fall under their own black/white law and should better bomb itself.
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    Sorry forgot to format with the sarcasm quotes.
    "Man alone suffers so excruciatingly in the world that he was compelled to invent laughter."
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    Originally posted by stevey
    most of the money that was used to murder British citizens came from the USA.

    most of the money that came from the US came from New York.
    I admit I'm not up on the situation, but these accusations are new to me. You tout them as fact. What is your basis of knowledge? Please, something more than "everybody knows it's true".
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    Not proof I admit, but



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    Originally posted by RobR
    Not proof I admit, but
    Far from proof, but better than nothing. How come we're not bashing the Columbian programmers? ;)
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    thank you Robr - i was looking for some "proof", something i could cut and paste, then i saw the link you put up, which has saved me the trouble. obviously not exactly "proof" but i think i can rest my case.
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    No prob Steve. Don'tcha just love Google??
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    Well, there's gotta be Brits supporting them, too - why don't they do something?

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    there are "Brits" who gave money to Sinn Fein and even to IRA directly, obviously this is true. we also have "Brits" who give money to the PLO, Bin Laden and god knows who.
    it is difficult to stop private individuals from supporting terrorists,
    my point is that the US government did little to help stop funding for organisations that were (and still are) murdering british people. we have a peace process now but will it last ?
    the IRA have not disarmed yet !!!!! and there is a splinter group, of hard-line IRA, calling themselves Real-IRA who are still trying to kill british folks. its a complicated situation and we can argue the toss for years, but my original albeit a deliberately provocative statement, is that i find it ironic, how now all terrorists are bad, its a black and white situation, any country that supports terror is threatened with bombing etc
    well, London has been bombed for years. most of the money for bombing campaigns came from the US, New York being a prime money raising area.
    i just wanted Americans to give it some thought thats all.
    and youll notice that some contributers to this thread find it amusing to joke about giving part of their pay checks to the IRA etc mebe i'm too involved to have a sense of humour about it, but i wonder how many would find it amusing if i said i supported bin laden ?????????
    Steve

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    > i wonder how many would find it amusing if i said i supported bin laden ?????????

    Wouldn't make a difference - a terrorist is a terrorist. I just find it funny how you complain about the US not stopping the IRA, but it's fine for GB and Ireland not to?

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    Originally posted by stevey
    i just wanted Americans to give it some thought thats all.
    and youll notice that some contributers to this thread find it amusing to joke about giving part of their pay checks to the IRA etc mebe i'm too involved to have a sense of humour about it, but i wonder how many would find it amusing if i said i supported bin laden ?????????
    Here's the point, genius: the American people have no more control over what the United States government does than you do.

    Is it wrong for the IRA (or anyone else) to murder someone based on their nationality or ethnic background? You bet. In fact, the IRA is similar to the Ku Klux Klan in that regard.

    Is it wrong for you to cast shame upon those who have no control or authority over something that causes you so much anguish? You bet. The American people aren't the problem, and you should come to realize that.

    This is obviously an important matter to you. If you want to do something about it, perhaps you can come up with something more effective than spreading blame on a programming web site.
    Jason Deckard

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    Could well be about time the American government did do something about stopping the funding of the IRA/Sinn Fein etc. My housemate's gf is from county Armagh (nicknamed terroristville) and she actually grew up on the same estate as Johnny Adair (Highly celebrated/villified terrorist whichever way you look at it). She says that the majority of the terrorists don't care a bit about the cause they are fighting for. They are nothing but street thugs and juvenile criminals who, in a different society might turn to drug dealing or burglary, but in the terror climate that NI offers they choose to make their living learning and carrying out paramilitary activities. Now that the bombings etc. of london have stopped (or at least calmed down) they have to ply their trade elsewhere. One way is that the IRA now runs numerous drug and protection rackets throughout NI which could be said to be a problem of the UK justice system (a good problem no doubt as they can no longer claim to be political prisoners for their crimes). But secondly they now sell their paramilitary "expertise" to the highest bidder and it has been known to the UK security forces for some time that one group of people eager to employ them are the columbian drug cartels. A group of organisations that for a few years now, the american government and the CIA have been desperately fighting a war against.

    All I can say is that what goes around, comes around!!

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    the British goverment tried hard to defeat the IRA, but in a democracy especially one such as ours with high regard for individuals rights etc, terrorism can and will win. it is doing in Northern Ireland.
    it was made especially difficult by the large amounts of money sent from the US to the terrorists, albeit not directly and by private citizens. but more could have been done by the US govn. that little was done was due mainly to the 40 million or so irish-american voters who had sympathy to the cause of a united ireland, and who donated cash to various dubious organisations..

    now whether they knew where some of there money is going or not is a matter that can be argued at great lenght, but a lot of thought is now going into where this money goes/went and whether or not irish-americans should be supporting such organisations. this has been brought about by the current climate of war on terror etc

    now that the horror of terrorism has been visited on your shores, you know what its like, little interest in other peoples problems was shown before, now its all black and white, kill all terrorists.
    Steve

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