Gaining Experience in C/C++ Programming

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    Unhappy Gaining Experience in C/C++ Programming

    hi
    I have passed a course with Computeach and have a cert. in Advanced C programming with Unix.
    I have self taught myself C++, and am currently learning Visual C++.
    I'm pretty reasonable with Unix.

    But I cannot get a job in C/C++ Programming !!!!!!!!!
    I have my name and CV with a vast number of agencies and am posted jobs via E mail for programming jobs near to me, at least one per day.
    But I can't get these jobs, try as I might , because all employers want min. 2 years experience, and I have none !
    I can't find a beginners job at all !!!
    ive even told agencies i'll work for virtually nothing, or even nothing to get the experience, but still no offers !!

    How on earth do I get out of the Catch 22 situation I am in !!!

    yours despondantly
    steve green

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    Try to get a job as something other than a programmer, and do it at a programming company - maybe you can get moved into programming that way.

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    well, mebe i was naive, but i was constantly hearing about the skills shortage in programming !! really, so why can't i find a job ???
    why don't IT companies want to train people ????
    they seem to just want fully trained, 2+ years experience type people ???
    mebe the companies are too small for taking on beginners ???
    spec. enquiries to larger companies may be a good idea ??
    Steve

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    > why don't IT companies want to train people ????

    Because it takes time and costs money. If you're a company, do you want to pay someone to learn a language, or do you want to pay them to do the work?

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    >so why can't i find a job ???
    At the moment jobs in the IT field are scarce.

    >why don't IT companies want to train people ????
    Because they're hypocrites. They want talented people, yet they're not willing to work for it. And then they ask us to work hard for them

    -Prelude
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    Unhappy

    well, ive paid for my course, i didn't expect to be trained in a language, ive trained myself.
    but where are the jobs for junior programmers (might be different in the US) ?????
    can't get the experience is my problem !!!!!!
    can't find anyone wanting a newbie with no experience !!!!
    so how do i get the experience !!!!!

    anyone out there, please help before i'm forced to walk around with a placard "WILL WORK FOR FOOD", "WIFE AND 2 KIDS TO SUPPORT "
    Steve

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    Be aggressive, go out to companies and give them your resume, even if they're not hiring they still might hold on to your name. You may be one of the first that they call when jobs do open up. If you just sit there hoping for someone to call and hire you then you'll have little luck. Get out there and fight for what jobs there are, even if you have no experience, that kind of attitude will impress employers.

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    I just got a BS in Computer Science and I'm in the same situation. Seems to be plenty of high experience jobs available though. I'm going to be looking for a normal job and if I don't find a programming job in the next year I'm going to grad school and hope the market will be friendlier when I get out.
    My advice to the younger programmers is get an internship as soon as you can. I wish somebody would've advised me to do that, maybe I wouldn't be in this situation now. I've got plenty of time ahead though and there will be jobs again so I'm not too worried.
    If a tree falls in the forest, and no one is around to see it, do the other trees make fun of it?

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    I recognize this problem. Two friends, ex-classmates at university, of mine have finished their study and are still looking for a job. Since they have no experience, it is very, very hard to find something.

    Software engineering is more than knowing all the ins and outs of a language. A software engineer must also know about software development processes, tooling, projectteam working, know about design and analysis methods etc. An experienced software engineer has practical experience with these things and can be put on a project quite quickly. Someone who is new to the field must learn too much in little time, that's why companies prefer experienced engineers. At least, at this moment.

    Some financial experts say that after july/august the market will get better. We'll see.

    There still are jobs, mostly at small companies. And they are hard to find.

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    Originally posted by stevey
    i was constantly hearing about the skills shortage in programming !! really, so why can't i find a job ???
    There is a shortage of skill. There does not seem to be a shortage of programmers. A disturbing number of people have degrees or other credentials that indicate they can program, yet they lack the skills to be useful in the workplace. I am not suggesting you fall into this category.

    Originally posted by stevey
    they seem to just want fully trained, 2+ years experience type people ???
    mebe the companies are too small for taking on beginners ???
    I work for a large corporation and, the last time I spoke to one of our HR guys (about four months ago), we are only hiring people with five or more years experience.

    Consider becoming involved in an open source project (SourceForge). Choose something that has relevance to the business world (stay away from helping with video games). This may not look as good as private sector experience, but it counts and you can put it on your resume.
    Jason Deckard

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    thanx
    all comments taken on board.

    i am still depressed though!!!
    Steve

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    I'm afraid only a psychologist can help with that.

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    >I'm afraid only a psychologist can help with that.

    Rubbish. There's always electric shock treatment.

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    ive got the back off my pc now !!
    think i'll just put my hand in and touch a live wire !!
    Steve

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    I got my programming job with a BS in mathematics. My company was having trouble getting programmers, so they hired mathematicians and converted us. I found out about this from my advisor, the manager that hired me lived across the street from my advisor. I had a job offer in less than a week.

    Now www.computerjobs.com has 8300 job listing. My company was just sold to L-3 communications. The old owners had its job listings at www.rayjobs.com.

    Now if any of you would want to relocate to Texas, send me your resume. You will need to be a US citizen and must be able to get a security clearance. Now I have no idea how the other groups at work are doing with manning, but in my group, we have contracts already awarded to keep us busy for the next six years. Now if any of you would be interested in System Engineering positions, our System Engineering is only staffed at 80%.

    Now if you read this now, and are interested, watch the History Channel in 5 minutes, the items shown from the Air Force are what gets developed out here.

    Stevey: My old company, Raytheon, has a contract with the RAF called Astor. After initial development is done in the US, the remainder of the work suppose to be done in the UK. I do not know if it is Raytheon in the UK or a UK company that is doing the work in the UK. If you check the financial web sites, you should be able to find the news releases that list the partners in the program. (We hired 70 engineer just for this project.)
    Last edited by sigma; 03-28-2002 at 07:03 PM.

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