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    Originally posted by a muslim
    Hi everyone:
    From my point of view,

    So, WHO IS BEHIND ALL OF THIS?

    Let me give you the following reasons and hints to who is
    behind
    this tragedy:

    1. Who controls the media in America?

    and again WHO controls
    the
    media?

    . WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS
    IN ISRAELI JAIL?

    BRAIN WASHED**FUNDED AND HARBORD**FORCED**SET UP**PAYED OFF IN
    MIGHTY $ $ $ $.

    Again, who controls and operates the MEDIA and
    the MOVIE BUSINESS?

    IN CONCLUSION:

    There is a good reason to believe that Prime Minister of ISRAEL Mr.
    Ariel Sharon and ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE is behind this tragedy. So
    far they have been very successful in killing not on 1, not 2, but
    three birds with only one bullet.

    Basically, create chaos between Muslims & Christians, sit back and
    watch over and benefit from the chain of events and destruction
    among Muslims & Christians.
    Well done MR. SHARON AND ISRAEL, THE MASTERMINDS BEHIND THE
    AMERICAN TRAGEDY.

    Sincerely,

    Arabian Guy
    A long quote, I know. But I just wanted to cut out a the parts of this that prove conclusively that....

    This is the kind of anti semitic, Jew hating filth that is driving this whole problem. It is this kind of mindless drivel that has been driven into people's heads.

    Israel controls the US media?!?

    A Jewish conspiracy to rule the world?!?

    I am so sick of this junk.

    America should wake up to what Israel lives with every day. Children are brought up in Palestine in a constant atmosphere of this kind of hate and misinformation.

    It turns my stomache.

    I am not surprised that the post was completely anonymous. What a waste of bandwicth.
    He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep in order to gain what he cannot lose.

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    To the one who calls himself muslim: You and your Iranian
    friends who make the same claim and anybody simple-
    minded enough to believe you are freakin idiots.

    To govt cheese: We are at war now. We haven't nuked
    anybody--yet. We will not be the first to detonate an
    atomic bomb during this war. We stand a considerable risk
    of being nuked by these fanatics. Picture the Lions playing
    at home when the bomb goes off. World War II was World War II. The war planners thought a nuclear bombing or two would
    avoid the necessity of invading Japan, at the cost of many
    thousands of American lives. They were right. Japan surrendered.

    To mechaniX--I mind my own business. So should you. Where are
    you from, oh worldly one? Who have you sounded out--Osama?
    I don't have to leave this country to get some perspective on
    what is happening in the world. There are enough ex-third worlders who have fled their homelands for the freedoms they
    find here for me to question. Practically every gas station in
    New Jersey is managed by people of Indian descent. I talk to them. Practically every computer store in New Jersey is run by
    someone of Chinese descent. I talk to them. We have several
    Vietnamese working at Nestle with me. I talk to them. My
    business clients, most of them, are jews who have fled from
    persecution all over the world. They tell me things. My sister
    has two adopted Korean children. She and other American
    families personally travelled to Seoul and met with Korean officials before she brought her children home. I have talked
    to her about what she saw when she was there.

    But tell me, oh wise one--how does the world work outside the U.S.? I'm sure you know it all, up there in your Canadian perch.
    Canadian or not, you have the distinct smell of camel dung about you. Go take a bath. You Canadians love yourselves. That's about
    it.

    >Terrorists on the other hand are like jelly beans. Most taste good but the black ones taste nasty. < Homo.

    rick barclay
    Last edited by rick barclay; 09-18-2001 at 12:45 PM.
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    >Children are brought up in Palestine in a constant atmosphere of this kind of hate and misinformation.<

    Very true... security is always tight in Isreal, and everyone must live in a heightened state of readiness to dodge suicide bombers et al. Bags checked at the entrance to pretty much everywhere. People afraid to ride busses. And the list goes on and on...

    This is what terrorism is... would Americans have had something to say in stopping this many, many years ago? I know some tried and I know many would... but would the world let us stop it as a country if it meant costing lives? Many people shun America for stepping in and policing the world. Then they complain about the atrocities and complain that America doesn't get involved in them when they happen. ("America is always the last one to enter our wars that we wage... we were in it from the beginning." someone hinted at in another thread. not a direct quote)

    People... humanity... can be so misled in their own minds. So topsy turvey...

    It is funny to see the world model even in regular business. Managers and directors constantly have to deal with whiney people that never seem to get their way...

    I am reminded of the Aesops fable about the Man, the Child, and the Donkey. Never try to please everyone... you will end up losing your a$$.

    Terrorism is everyone's problem.

    ~Betazep
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    >The funiest I think is mr muslim's posts on conspiracy. Funny because I even thought similar things. Do I think they are true? Well no... but it is interesting to look at things in different lights to see who it benefits. <

    That's a pretty convoluted sense of humor.

    And as far as obliterating the world goes--when I fight, I fight
    to win. What other way is there? It is our enemy who is
    the obilterating danger, not me. Not the United States.

    I like your comments about Canadians. They are a smug,
    penis-envying lot (generally speaking, of course).

    rick barclay
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    This is America calling!

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    little quick bits...

    rick (this is not a serious note) - If the Lions got bombed, I might jump up and down and start clapping... Their rebuilding years have lasted quite a while...

    betazep - the jellybean analogy was awful...

    mechanicx - I don't recall saying it was okay to bomb Japan - I said it hastened the end to the war and prevented the loss of many more lives than it claimed.

    > Man, I love Canada. Nobody hates it.

    I dunno... I'm beginning to...

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    >>betazep - the jellybean analogy was awful...

    What are you talking about? That wasn't me.

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    >>And as far as obliterating the world goes--when I fight, I fight
    to win. What other way is there? It is our enemy who is
    the obilterating danger, not me. Not the United States. <<

    Ok.

    If you defend our America as much as you defend your ideology... I am sure we have nothing to worry about.

    ~Betazep

    Give me freedom, or give me death.

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    Whoops, sorry betazep... My mistake... Can senility happen at 20?

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    >Whoops, sorry betazep... My mistake... Can senility happen at 20?

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    "You mean it is o.k. if someone killed half of your kids?"

    so you are telling me that a country that devotes many people that could be farmers to the military, is all fine and dandy, and we should support them in there need to have a well fed military ready for invasion?

    Isreal has signed just about every peace agreement put on the table, and has lived up to their end of the bargain in most instances, while the other side makes a routine of breaking it?

    Afghanistan and Osama bin laden are not a serious threat to Isreal, PLO and palestine terrorists are...


    People will always believe the cause of and solution too all of the worlds problems is America, before it was Russia, but we stand alone in the need and want to fix everything and hurt ourselves more in the process.

    Osama bin laden uses money from his parents, which likely came from America .He uses American made computers on the american made internet using american made routers and computer parts.
    He uses weapons designed by a russian tank commander while Russia was allied with the US. He used america to train his terrorists to learn how to fly an American airplane into an American building. He uses the american and eurpean banks and stock markets to hold money, if he had the world the way he wanted everybody would be a muslim whose wife is fully clothed and is not able to speak\ be seen in public.

    rm \usr\bin\laden

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    People want to thank god that in this day of modern warfare, that war nowadays may see no need for conscription, unless it is due to national service. The people that america and ourselves have declared war on are cowards, schoolyard bullies who used to run up behind you, slap, then hid in the crowd. They call themselves soldiers, but wear no uniform. Beware sleeper units, personally I hope this is quick and decisive. the first thing to do is to round up potential terrorists and sympathisers. Like in the first and second world war, eliminate all potential threats in your own country first by jailing them. Do the business. Then if they are no longer a threat release them.
    And just an after thought, if america has declared war on all terrorists, does this mean we will see american tanks on the streets of Belfast or Barcelona. Somehow I dont think so. for one I cannot see cruise missiles raining down on IRA or UDA strong holds. For every terorist killed there may well be 100 family or friends willing to avenge his demise. After all we in the British Isles have been living with terrorism for five decades, and the majority of these terrorists are funded from the within the USA.
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    >>Osama bin laden uses money from his parents, which likely came from America .He uses American made computers on the american made internet using american made routers and computer parts.

    You forgot with CIA training from America.
    The money is from construction in the middle east, including roads in Sudan.

    He was trained, as were many wealthy Saudi young men, by the CIA to fight a terrorist war against Russia. When he returned to Saudi he was angry that America did not leave and continues to bomb Iraq, over 3000 missions last year alone. When did the war end against Iraq? When will the sanctions end?
    He considers Americans invaders in Islams holy land, there to help support the invading Isralies (only there since 1945).
    If not for America, the middle east would not be so unstable.
    America propped up the Shah of Iran. Then America supplied Sadam against Iran. Then everybody against Sadam. Supplied Afganistan against the Russians and the Isralies against everyone else.

    Hey Ronny Raygun even had Iran indirectly helping Nicaraguan rebels. Course he had to sell Iran guns to do it.

    If you don't believe me, CHECK.

    I seem to have missed the bit where evidence of a crime is presented and the guilty detemined.
    Oh thats right it was on CNN so it must be true.

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    rick barclay:

    Don't worry, your writings are simple enough to understand, I think most of us do.

    a muslim:

    Many good points in the post, and a few not so good. Many, on both sides have already been debated somewhat. I would like to mention your point 3, concerning the guy with the video camera. If, like me, you've ever been to New York, you can't have failed to notice the literally hundreds of people wandering around with video cameras in, what is after all, a popular global tourist destination. It is no suprise to me that 4-5 different views of the same incident have appeared. Remember back a year to the Concorde crash in France, no suspicion of terrorism, a simple accident, and yet even there, at an airport, there turned up 4-5 different videos of the burning plane taking off.
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    >>Osama bin laden uses money from his parents, which likely came from America

    I read an interesting article today on the train coming into work.

    It is often said that Bin Laden has amassed a huge fortune of > $300m, and that he gets a huge return on this money every year…… The article initially pointed out that to date, America has been unable to locate let alone freeze these funds…… This is very strange when you consider the huge amount of money this fortune would represent. To get these returns, the money would easily be visible to an organisation like the CIA…… but yet it has not been frozen……why?

    The article went on to say that when Bin Laden’s father died, the fortune from the family’s construction empire was split amongst a huge amount of brothers (estimated at perhaps 50). Also, when Bin Laden was associated with terrorism in the early 90’s, his Saudi assets were instantly frozen, and his family stopped giving him his annual allowance. Therefore the idea that he walked away with a huge fortune is fundamentally flawed.

    The article went on to say that it was more likely that Bin Laden gets frequent donations from sympathetic Arab governments on the hush. They can simply send the money via one of the laundering processes that are common in that part of the world. No huge fortunes sitting around means that the money can not be traced. When this disaster took place, these governments could simply feign shock and nothing could tie them to this atrocity – unless Bin Laden came clean…… this makes me wonder what countries would be sh#tting themselves if Bin Laden was captured by the US.

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    Originally posted by bigtamscot
    People want to thank god that in this day of modern warfare, that war nowadays may see no need for conscription, unless it is due to national service. The people that america and ourselves have declared war on are cowards, schoolyard bullies who used to run up behind you, slap, then hid in the crowd. They call themselves soldiers, but wear no uniform. Beware sleeper units, personally I hope this is quick and decisive. the first thing to do is to round up potential terrorists and sympathisers. Like in the first and second world war, eliminate all potential threats in your own country first by jailing them. Do the business. Then if they are no longer a threat release them.
    And just an after thought, if america has declared war on all terrorists, does this mean we will see american tanks on the streets of Belfast or Barcelona. Somehow I dont think so. for one I cannot see cruise missiles raining down on IRA or UDA strong holds. For every terorist killed there may well be 100 family or friends willing to avenge his demise. After all we in the British Isles have been living with terrorism for five decades, and the majority of these terrorists are funded from the within the USA.
    Who is a bigger threat to the USA--Osama Bin Laden and his
    band of genocidal fanatics or the IRA or the Basques? That's really all that needs to be said. President Bush has called this
    a war against worldwide terroism, yes, but the priority target
    in all this is the global network responsible for the WTC and Pentagon attacks. It is my understanding that the IRA and the Basque
    movement commit violence only within the confines of Britain
    and Spain, respectively. If our fight with those who call themselves
    muslims, and they number in the thousands if not millions, is
    successful, information regarding the IRA and Basques may
    very well develop and be passed along to the interested
    intelligence agencies. Britain and Spain are cooperating with us,
    and we'll do liewise with them. Be patient. This has just begun.

    rick barclay
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    This is America calling!

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