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    >Ps: Can you believe we used to kill mathematicians, scientists, and people who used to think differently? Can you believe that innnocent people were killed being called a 'witch'? Can you believe that the whole continent of North America was raped and stolen from people who lived here many centuries before the Europeans arrived? Can you believe that after a bunch of kamikaze pilots attacked pearl harbour and killed about 2000 people, two bombs were dropped on their country and wiped out millions? How many of those millions had even any idea of the Pearl Harbour attack when it took place? This is just to show you that we will never stop this insanity, its in our blood<

    Good point about the Japanese. It also shows that people,
    innocent or otherwise will be held accountable for the actions
    of their government. A lot of so-called innocent Japanese were
    nuked so that American servicemen would not have to fight
    and die on Japanese soil. It was our lives for for those of
    the Japanese, a people history has adjudged as racist as any
    ever to roam this planet. And yes, I said people, not government,
    because they were raised in the belief that they were home of the gods and were therefore chosen by those gods to rule the earth. Ask any Chinese.

    No one nation or people created racism. This is a condition
    intrinsic to our souls in varying degrees. If you want to lay the
    blame on someone for creating racism, blame God. Go away!

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    >i am only twelve, but i'm in civil air patrol<

    Out of the mouths of babes....

    Good for you, kid. I salute and admonish you to be vigilant. There
    are little terrorists roaming around, the same age as you, who
    want to kill your dad, your mom, your friends and their moms and
    dads. It's up to you and us to stop them.

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    Originally posted by mfc2themax
    >christianity and islam are the two largest religions that say that if someone isn't of your religion they will goto hell<

    Islam does not say you will go to hell if you are not a Muslim. Some radical portions of the religion may, but not otherwise.
    mfc: first you say they won't; then you say some say they
    will. That's a contradictory statement, friend.

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    Radical INDIVIDUALS is what i should have said. A few hundred is a very very very small portion of a billion + muslims.
    mfc2themax-Creator of all that is.

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    I fail to see how genocide could ever be a form of defense....
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    >Wait - isn't that the same thing?<

    No, Ken. You're apparently misreading it. Look at it a little
    closer.


    > Innocents - I know Rick'll say there's no such thing, but there is. There are people who do not condone what bin laden (may have) done, should we kill them, too? Rick, if your brother was convicted of a crime and put to jail, should you suffer the same fate as him? Why not? you're related. You may have the same beliefs as him! See how dumb it sounds? <

    RTFPs


    >I think I'm too young (15) to join my country in a war, but I don't think I'd want to. Many of the people I know are saying "Man, if there's a war I'm joining and I'll get me some revenge!" wait, wait, wait. You'll risk your own death to take part in a terrible genocide against the arab peoples? how peachy... <

    Who isn't (too young)? None of of us wants any part of this. I finally got up
    the nerve to ask my two young (15 & 19) sons what they think
    of all this? The younger was non-committal and the older said
    no, he's not going. I told them I'm not arguing about this with
    them-that they're free to choose and make their own decisions.
    Since he's my son and I love him as such, I told my 19-year old
    he can avoid military duty by claiming conscientious objector
    status, which he said it was likely he would do. He claims Taoism
    as his belief. I told him and anyone else who cares that one
    cannot just go to the draft board and say, "Sorry, I'm a CO; I'm
    not going." They will put you in jail for that. If you claim CO
    status, be prepared to prove that you are what you say you are;
    otherwise, you will go to jail. Or you'll be forced to flee the
    country, as in Vietnam. Also, for those of you choosing not to
    fight, be prepared, should we survive this war, for some very
    uncomplimentary treatment from your peers when you return
    to the country that fought and died for your safety as much as
    their own. Servicemen and women who contributed to the war
    effort will be offered first dibs at any job and you will be left in
    the lurch.

    >We can't just turn the other cheek as the bible instructs, because then we'd probably get more terrorist attacks. "<

    An eye, and then the other eye.

    >This is a terrible lose-lose situation. <

    Yes. That it is...

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    >I fail to see how genocide could ever be a form of defense....<

    Some call it genocide. Some call it self-defense. This is true of
    every war, no matter who the combatants are.

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    I've tried to stay out of this as much as possible (obviously very unsuccessfully), and one thing keeps bugging me. People keep bringing up Pearl Harbor and us nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a result.

    I'm sorry, but we were at war then. Yes, we might as well be now, but when we nuked Japan, it was after 4 years of constant war! It wasn't exactly an impulsive action...

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    Hi everyone:
    From my point of view,

    What happened in lower Manhattan, NY city on Sept. 11. 2001 was
    devastating and totally unacceptable by anyone who profoundly
    understands the value and the importance of a human life.
    Thousands of innocent people (including several MUSLIMS) lost their
    lives that day. My heart and prayers go out to everyone who lost
    their loved ones because of this tragedy.

    Right after the "ATTACK ON AMERICA" happened, the media
    deliberately started projecting that this heinous crime was
    perpetrated and committed by the MUSLIMS namely (Usama Ben Laden).
    Also, that Muslims in America and all around the world are the
    culprits and are responsible for this in-humane act of terror.

    Q. Were these high-jackers MUSLIMS? If yes, what kind of Muslims?

    A. Not very good and TRUE Muslims. There is a good reason why I
    believe that (if and only if they were Muslims) they were not
    good
    and true Muslims. So, WHO IS BEHIND ALL OF THIS?

    Let me give you the following reasons and hints to who is
    behind
    this tragedy:

    1. Who controls the media in America? And isn't this true that
    most of the ordinary and average people like us believe
    whatever we
    SEE, HEAR, and READ thru media.

    2. Why didn't the high-jackers (if Muslims as projected) care
    about over 3000 good Muslims who worked in the twin towers on a
    daily basis? If their motive was to bring these buildings down,
    they could have done that over the weekend or at nighttime when
    very few people are in the buildings. WHY DO THIS IN THE MORNING
    HOURS? Everyone watching, in real time on TV's all around
    America.

    3. Who was that gentleman on the street at about 9:08 a.m. with a
    cam-coder in his hands making the video, which captured and
    recorded the incident of the first plane hitting the tower? HOW
    come he was there at the right place, at the right time? MEDIA
    Involvement, planned out act of terror, and again WHO controls
    the
    media?

    Chain of the events happened in U.S. gradually, momentarily, and
    step by step. Moments after the attack and collapse of the WTC,
    media showed PALASTANIAN kids and one female in HIJAB (symbols of
    Muslim women) clapping, singing, and celebrating. Different TV
    channels reported to the American viewers that Palestinians are
    happy and loving American loss while the entire America is mourning
    this tragedy. MY Q? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKES TO GATHER HUNGRY AND
    ABANDONED BUNCH OF KIDS TO CLAP, SING, AND JUMP UP AND DOWN in
    front of the camera IN PALESTINE. DID ANYONE NOTICE THE TIME ZONE;
    IT WAS MORNING HERE AND SAME DAYLIGHT TIME IN PALESTINE (VERY
    INTERESTING).

    4. FBI and FEMA reported that one of the suspects Mr. Mohamed Atta
    and others were on the list for most wanted in CAR and BUS bombings
    in Israel. At one time the Israeli army captured this person and
    few years later he was released by them. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS
    IN ISRAELI JAIL?

    BRAIN WASHED**FUNDED AND HARBORD**FORCED**SET UP**PAYED OFF IN
    MIGHTY $ $ $ $.

    My Q? How in the world Mr. M. ATTA and his associates come inside
    the U.S. borders, lived on the U.S. soil, received training to fly
    planes openly when he was on the FBI wanted list, without the
    protection, umbrella, and a free ticket by someone very POWERFUL in
    U.S. to roam around without any problem.

    5. FBI received a tip from a passenger who boarded a different
    plan and reached his destination safely that he had a confrontation
    with two Middle Eastern gentlemen at the Logan airport in Boston,
    MA. He gave them the exact location of their stranded car parked
    in the lot, where FBI found the (MANUEL ON HOW TO FLY A PLANE) in
    ARABIC language. Also, they found the information leading to the
    rental car and credit card information with which the 2 plane
    tickets were purchased from Boston to L.A.

    My Q? People capable of plotting and executing such a
    sophisticated plan would leave the ARABIC language manual and other
    information in the rental car to be found later by the FBI. HOW
    DUMB is that BY PROFESSIONAL TERRORISTS.

    6. FBI reported that they traced the attackers to Florida where
    the FBI was told by the bar owner /manager that the two suspects
    came into the bar couple days ago and drank LIQUOR heavily (GOOD
    TRUE MUSLIMS AND DRINKING, WELL YES I KNOW SOME (M) DO DRINK
    ALCOHOLE BUT TRUE (JIHADI) MUSLIMS?...NAHHHHHHHHHH).

    My Q? Drinking and fighting with the bar manager over the bill,
    possibility to get the police involved, be in position to get
    caught, blow up and jeopardize their well thought out and long
    awaited plan. I DON'T THINK SO.

    7. One report said, struggle in the plane, which crashed in PA.
    Phone calls were made from the plane. One man called his mother in
    California for (1 full minute) in which he told her that the plane
    has been hi-jacked, he loves his mother and family very much, also
    that hi-jackers have sharp knives. No description given at all
    about the ethnic background, race, color etc. Flight attendant
    called her family and told them that hi-jackers have knives, she is
    been stabbed, and even told them the SEAT # of the hi-jackers BUT
    NO DESCRIPTION GIVEN AT ALL.

    My Q? Was the HI-JACKERS hiding their face? WHY THESE BOTH
    CALLERS COULD NOT SEE OR JUDGE AND IDENTIFY THE HI-JACKERS
    IDENTITY?

    8. Plane tickets were purchased by credit card of Mr. M. ATTA,
    leading FBI and swat teams to the WESTIN HOTEL where 3 of the
    helpers were waiting AFTER almost over 29 hours of the initial
    attack on WTC. HOW IDIOTIC IS THIS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ASSIGNED AND
    TRAINED TO PULL OFF AN ATTACK AND DESTROY (WTC) THE LANDMARK OF
    SUCCESS AND FREEDOM OF AMERICA.

    Some said that while the associates of hi-jackers were waiting for
    the FBI to show up and arrest them, they ordered PIZZA WITH BLACK
    OLIVES AND TOOK TURNS TAKING SHORT NAPS.

    9. In 1993, unsuccessful WTC bombing happened, 6 people died, over
    1000 injured. Several Arabs were arrested including Mr. Mohamed
    Ramzi Yusouf in Pakistan. Still in jail in Colorado awaiting his
    punishment. HBO movie in 1995 (ROAD TO PARADISE) in which the
    story of the WTC was told and at the end of the movie Mr. Ramzi
    Yusouf was quoted looking at the Twin Towers, "NEXT TIME WE WILL
    BRING THEM BOTH DOWN".

    My Q? Who the hell made that movie and predicted in the movie that
    this will happen some day in the future and how did they reached
    this conclusion? Again, who controls and operates the MEDIA and
    the MOVIE BUSINESS?

    IN CONCLUSION:

    There is a good reason to believe that Prime Minister of ISRAEL Mr.
    Ariel Sharon and ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE is behind this tragedy. So
    far they have been very successful in killing not on 1, not 2, but
    three birds with only one bullet.

    ** Create hostile conditions for Muslims in the U.S. and all over
    the world.

    ** Have U.S. bomb and stop any kind of AID to the 3rd world Muslims
    countries like Palestine, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

    ** Biggest threat to ISRAEL in Middle Eastern region (Usama Ben
    Laden) and Make U.S. public, U.S. government, and the entire world
    believe that he is the MASTER MIND behind the American tragedy and
    have him killed by the U.S. military. HAVE Usama KILLED ON ANY
    PRICE.

    Basically, create chaos between Muslims & Christians, sit back and
    watch over and benefit from the chain of events and destruction
    among Muslims & Christians. PRIME EXAMPLE: THREATS OF
    RETALLIATIONS AND ATTACKS HAE ALREADY BEGUN ON MOSQUES, IN SCHOOLS,
    AND AT WORKPLACE. Good and true Muslims are being called
    TERRORISTS, FOLLOWERS OF OSAMA & SADAAM, harassed for something
    they have no control OR influence over.

    AS American-Muslim, I hope that whatever happens in the coming
    days, months, and years brings peace and calm to our beautiful
    world. Be safe, show that you care, and watch your back at this
    sad time in America.

    Well done MR. SHARON AND ISRAEL, THE MASTERMINDS BEHIND THE
    AMERICAN TRAGEDY.

    Sincerely,

    Arabian Guy

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    Poor Iraq had so many people die under US sanctions! Well if Saddam Hussain didn't invade Kuwait then the sanctions would never have taken place. Why should Iraq have been let down easy? Look how many times they tried to block UN weapons inpectors from doing their job? Of course poor Saddam was innocent...as innocent as Hitler.
    Just to let you know,in Islam you have to pray five times a day and if you didn't,then you're not a muslim. And I don't remember who exactly but he is one of saddam's close men said that saddam prays "sometimes" three times a day.I don't know why everyone keeps calling him muslim when he has been doing , and still doing, alot of things that are against Islamic rules.

    And are you saying the Iraqi kids are responsebile for what saddam did?!

    Iraqian familys have like 10 children, they do this because 5 of them will die from starvation- you see it is a paradox, they have enough kids so that some of them will live, but in doing so they starve 1/2 of them to death.
    You mean it is o.k. if someone killed half of your kids?

    Tell that to Osama Bin Laden. He's the one responsible for
    this wave of flag-waving and war talk. Allllll weeee aarre dooooing is giving us a chance to live in peace, like we were before 5000 of our comrades from this country and without were
    murdered by a band of barbarians who don't want peace.

    rick barclay
    Can you give me one evidence it was Osama Bin Laden?

    And I am just wondering.. There is like 4000 israeli people working in the WTC,but they all weren't at the building at the time of what happened.Isn't that a little bit weird? no one of them was reported missing or dead or anything. And israeli people knows that whatever happens in the U.S the prime suspect will be Osama Bin Laden and the U.S will fight Muslims and Arabs which is good to israel.so..go figure!

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    Sorry, the last unregistered person was me.

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    "If you want to lay the blame on someone for creating racism, blame God. Go away"


    Hey Rick, even though you claim to be middle-aged, you still lack the intellect and the understanding that even a 15 year old (KEN) has.

    Have you ever visited anywhere other than the States? Have you ever set foot on any 3rd world country? Ask anyone who has, who has seen, tasted, and felt the things that the people who live there feel.

    Your first post basically shows how 'worldly-dumb' you are. Outside of US, your probably have no clue how the world works.

    Also, America is not made up of only 'white-pilgrim' people. There are many people with different backgrounds who would not agree with Rick's 'lets wipe out all the muslims and end terrorism'.



    Also, some one has said that we were right to drop A-bomb on the Japanese since we were at war. Well, I have never heard of any country justifying killing innnocent people as 'OK' when at war, except the 'bad guys' who make up their own rules. America was supposed to be the 'good guy' during that war so it really doesnt make sense to justify dropping A-bombs. It was a cowardly act, much more cowardly than sending a bunch of soldiers to kill themselves at Pearl Harbor.



    I could foresee that in the future, America will not be the only superpower. Many eastern countries (mostly Asian) will rise up and then this incident will seem like a dream.

    Man, I love Canada. Nobody hates it.
    Its all in your mind...

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    I read your whole post 'a muslim'.

    I agree with your notion of looking at it in a different perspective. Though your theory stands a pretty good chance of being true.

    I was thinking about the car incident as well. Why would they leave such stuff just lying in the car and leave the car right there?

    If I was planning this thing, I would make sure that I got no loose ends. This includes even killing the weaker ones that were involved.



    Maybe I am sounding like I am for terrorists and agianst America. Its not that way. I really have respect for Americans but I do hate the way they are ignorant of the outside world. And that leads to many irrational actions or thoughts (like Rick hoping for genocide) Terrorists on the other hand are like jelly beans. Most taste good but the black ones taste nasty. And I really hate anyone who murder the innocent for any reason.
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    >Man, I love Canada. Nobody hates it.<

    How true... how true.

    And it is usually easy for disinvolved, semi-uninterested people to take nonchelance as a stance.

    If I saw Britain bombed, I would probably say... "Hey. Come-on. Why go to war? Lots more people would die. Americans would come to help out and probably die. We don't want that." Yet I am sure the Brittish would feel differently.

    This board seems to go round and round. Mostly between rick's total planetary obliteration and lightatdawn's give peace and only peace a chance and many shades in between.

    The funiest I think is mr muslim's posts on conspiracy. Funny because I even thought similar things. Do I think they are true? Well no... but it is interesting to look at things in different lights to see who it benefits.


    ~Betazep

    Was it the chicken or the egg or the illusion of both.... who knows... who cares.

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    >I do hate the way they are ignorant of the outside world<

    Isn't that the same as, 'all muslim's are the cause of the WTC bombing'. (which I do not profess to believe in)

    Who are you talking about when you say 'they'? Am I to be included in that. I have travelled the world. I was married in Scandanavia. I am a proud American, but I have a great affinity and appreciation toward other cultures and ways of lives.

    You seem to be the one that has a lot to learn... start by finding out how hidden bigotry sways one's opinions. Who are 'they' going to be for you tomorrow?

    ~Betazep

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