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    >I think that we learned that nobody can build enough of a defense so that they are invincible. <

    Conratulations, bubbo, you hit the truth gong. A wise and ancient
    historian once said of the Eastern Roman Empire: "Never so
    fortified. Never so vulnerable." He was talking about the many
    outposts Justinian built in his attempt to protect Constantinople
    from the barbarian hordes. The outposts were easily circumvented and the Empire wound up paying tribute to the
    barbarians for their peace and security.

    Another obvious example is the infamous Maginot Line of
    World War Two. The French may be great cooks but they make
    lousy warriors.

    If America stands pat, takes a defensive posture against people
    sworn to be our enemies and would-be conquerors, then it's just
    a matter of time before just that will happen. Using Rome as a
    timeline, the United States is at or near its peak of empire. This is
    not a nation in decline, but it is a nation with a lot of enemies sworn to destroy us. If we stand stationary as a target, our enemies will succeed. This is why we are at war and why we
    must prosecute the war with every ounce of energy we have.
    The first goal of any enemy is to de-stabilize and incapacitate
    any foe. Once that goal is acheived, it's not long before the prey
    is carved up and eaten.

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    Originally posted by Theologian
    And as for them not attacking the WTC because muslims were there. Don't you see- he is not a true Muslim and he does not care if he kills other muslims. He is a fascist, totalitarian leader like Hitler. He follows no law but his own.
    He is a Muslim and he is nothing like Hitler and he cares for Muslims that why he is doing what he is doing. Actually, if all you know about him (and about Taliban) is from the media then you will think he is the worst person ever, but you should know the truth from the people that have been there. I never watch the news because I realized it is usually not the truth or at least not the whole truth I mean I used to hear that Taliban spread drugs and grow them and always hurting women and stuff and I did not know what is the truth (of course I usually never believe anything that is on the CNN because they make it sound the way they wanted to be) anyways, a couple of weeks ago I read an article written by an Egyptian man (sorry I forgot his name and I would post a link but it is in Arabic) he said that he used to believe what the media made up about Taliban but then when he went to Afghanistan (he went with some organization or something that they had some work there) he said that he found out the truth about Taliban that they are not bad (like the media says) but they are actually good. He said that they were trying to make Afghanistan a better place and to fix everything that was ruined by the wars and they stopped all the people that been making drugs and they burnt all the drug plants that been there before the Taliban and they are not hurting the women by anyway actually there was schools for women and he saw women in the streets so they weren’t treating them like what the media said, and he saw all that by himself he did not go and asked the Taliban what are they doing, he saw the truth that the media does not want anyone to see.
    Sorry I know I’m not good at translating so it is missed up.

    Originally posted by Theologian
    To try and blame these acts on Israel is immoral, irrational and without basis. (This was the thrust of the post that I responded to)
    It got more basis than the basis you got against Taliban and Bin Laden. Actually if a Muslim person did that and they don’t want anyone to know it then why wouldn’t they leave some stuff written in israelis language and wear the small hat (or whatever you call it) that the jewish wear when they are on the planes??

    Originally posted by Theologian
    And one last quick note-- the original post called into question the validity of the images of Palestinians celebrating the attack. I believe that CNN has made it very clear that this was real footage filmed following the attack. It was not old or fake. Check out CNN.com if you have any doubts.
    I don't know if it really was in 1991, but I think it is fake because of the time. It shows that it was during the day in Palestine and it was about 11am in N.Y. and there is like 8 hours between N.Y. and Palestine. So it would be about 7pm in Palestine, which means it should be dark. So how did that happen??
    Well even if it was truth why did the CNN keep it and they did not keep the pictures of the five jewish (israeli jewish) that were celebrating in N.Y. few blocks away from the WTC?? They had this on the CNN for a couple of hours and then they removed this from their site.

    Originally posted by rick barclay
    >About 700 muslim people died in the WTC. <

    There aren't even half this number confirmed as dead yet.
    Your credibility is very questionable.
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    1. ARABS, MUSLIMS, ALSO BURIED UNDER NEW YORK RUBBLE
    [Middle East News Online - Sept. 14, 2001]
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    NEW YORK -- Nissam Hafiz is an Arab-American. Like thousands of American
    victims, he is buried under the rubble of the towers of the World Trade Center. Hafiz's sister stands somewhere close to the rescue operation in New York holding tight to her brother's picture, asking people: "have you seen this man?"

    Waleed Iskandar and Gerges Hashem, both Arab-Americans from Lebanon, have also been confirmed dead; they were passengers on American Airlines
    Flight 11 that crashed into Tower One of the World Trade Center.

    Hashem, a 37-year-old resident of Boston, was a product manager at the Teradyne Company. He left Lebanon some three decades ago, but visited the country regularly. He was married to Rita Hashem, and the couple have two children.

    Iskandar, 34, and his South African fiancée, had arranged to travel to the Los Angeles area to meet Iskandar's parents. Iskandar, who resided in London where he worked for the Monitor consulting firm, had been in the Boston area for three days visiting his brother.

    But the Hafiz, Iskandar and Hashem family's other tragedy, besides the grievous loss of their sons, is the fact that they -- like millions of Muslims and Arabs in the U.S. -- are being made scapegoats of Americans who want to vent their anger.

    "I just don't understand this," an Arab-American university student told Middle East News Online. "We are part of this tragedy, we are buried under the rubble, we are sharing our blood with the survivors, we are helping in the rescue efforts, we are praying for the victims' families, we're raising American flags over our houses, and shedding tears while watching the horrific scenes on television... But here we are, standing alone, facing the hate of millions who, rather than searching for the real criminals, chase after innocent Americans for simply being of a different background or a different faith."

    The Washington Post reported that at least 100 Muslim organizations (to date) in the United States have reported hate crimes and harassment. In the Washington D.C. area, two mosques and a bookstore were vandalized. In New York, a man pointed a gun at an Arab gas station attendant, threatening to shoot him. In Texas, assailants attacked a mosque with random gunfire.

    Considering the large number of Muslims and Arabs living and working in the New York area, it is expected that a significant number of them have lost their lives or are still buried under the rubble.

    Muslim groups are expressing their disappointment that the major media and many segments of U.S. society have tried -- through their words and public behaviour -- to segregate and strip them of their proud identity as Americans, simply for being of Arab origin or professing the Islamic faith.

    Meanwhile, Nissam Hafiz's family and dozens of other Muslim and Arab
    families continue to wait -- along with grieving relatives and friends of victims who came here from more than three dozen different nations. they all wait to hear of the fate of their loved ones.

    How can they be victims of terrorism themselves and yet be accused, whether openly or subtly, of also being co-perpetrators. No one seems to have an answer. Because we should not have to ask such a cruel question.

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    Originally posted by Koshare
    Osama bin laden doesnt hate america because we are in isreal, he hates isreal because it allows america.
    Osama Bin Laden hates America because it is helping israelis against Muslims in Palestine and because he wants them out of the Muslims countries.
    And do you expect him (or any Muslim) to like America when it is helping our enemies to fight us??

    Originally posted by Koshare
    America sends food to afghanistan and other 3rd world countrys, we send medical supplies to some of the 3rd world countries.
    I know that the U.S. helps some of the 3rd world countries but they do not do it for nothing. In Africa, they just help the people that are Christians, they won’t help Muslims even thought in the media they will say that they are helping the whole country but they help them if they would convert to be Christians. Lots of Muslims die there and the aid workers do not help them at all because they are Muslims. Do you think that would make any Muslim like the U.S.?? And do you think people in Afghanistan will like the U.S. because they are sending them food and bombing them at the same time?? And now the U.S. is sending food to Sudan, Do you know why they just started doing this? Because they just discovered oil there.

    Originally posted by Koshare
    To a muslim, I have studied the middle east in a non- biased way, I have been to Isreal, Isreal does not kill palestenians.
    Sorry, they do. They kill them all the time. Even if you think that all the Palestinian that were killed by israelis were fighting them (with stones) and that is why they deserve to die then tell me why would they kill little kids?? I think that all the world seen how they killed Muhammad Al-Durra a 12 years old kid that was trying (with his dad) to protect them selves from the israelis that were shooting them and in the end killed the little boy and his father was badly injured. The photographer that saw this said there was about 40 bullets that got in the wall near Muhammad and his father that did not have any kind of weapon with them they were just crossing the street and there was no curfew or anything and it was during the day. And even if you think they somehow did something bad tell me why did they killed Eiman?? She is about 6 months old and they shot her and her pictures were everywhere, and I do not think that 6 months old can do anything. I can send you the pictures if you want if you do not believe me. And the Palestinian lived in Palestine before the israeli even if you will check the history you will know that the Arabs lived there before the first jewish person.

    Originally posted by Koshare
    ok, you live in saudi arabia, right? that is the center of confilict, if Osama had his way you would be walking around completely clothed and treated sub human.
    Yes I live in Saudi Arabia, and I meant I can be seen in public wearing Hijab (I do not know what you call it in English but it means what we cover our selves with) and you think it is bad for us but it is not. It is good for us and it may take long to explain to you why but I will if anyone want to know. And women are not treated anyway badly actually women are treated the best in Islam.

    Originally posted by rick barclay
    Sombody hits me in the face...I'm gonna him 'em back.

    rick Barclay
    I thought that it says in the bible that if someone hits you to turn the other cheek or something like that. Anyways, In Islam if someone hits you, you can hit him back but it is better if you don’t. And if your going to hit back then hit THEM back the people that did it and do not hit the wrong people.

    Originally posted by Koshare
    The value of an american kid is much greater then that of an iraqian kid. an iraqian kid will produce 30,000 dollars in goods in his lifetime, an american kid will produce 6 million.
    Is money how you see people?? Then almost all of the teachers have a really low value to you because they know a lot, they will teach a lot but they will not make a lot of money?? You mean you value people according to their bank accounts?? Well…how much do you think you will make in your life??? I guess you think Bill Gates is the best person alive because he got more money?? Weird...

    Originally posted by Koshare
    explain to me how it is wrong that I dont care about people I will never see, that I never hurt?
    If you do not care about the Iraqi kids then why do you expect the whole world to care about what happened to the U.S.?? And even if you do not care at least do not cause more pain to the innocent kids.

    Originally posted by Betazep
    They want our land, our possesions, our women perhaps, etc. They want us dead. They don't care about us.
    If you mean Osama Bin Laden or Taliban then you are wrong because they just want the U.S. to stop killing or helping the people that are killing Muslims and they want the U.S. military out of the Islamic countries.

    Originally posted by rick barclay
    Your opinions are music to Osama Bin Laden's ears. What will it take for you to change your mind? Their use of a biological weapon? A nuke? Sorry, but I've got four children and a wife to think about besides my own worthless skin. Better too early than too late. It amazes me how many people pooh, pooh the Bin Laden-quasi muslim threat.
    Remember how many kids and wives been killed in Iraq and in the whole world by the U.S.

    Originally posted by Koshare
    saudi arabias per capita income is the 2nd greatest next to Isreal in the middle east. this is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. They have little farm land, little natural resourceses except oil, and very few literate people. They cant make finished goods because they dont have enough technology to do so. Respectfully, you sir are an ignorant person. We have more than 2 third world countrys in the middle east well fed and happy.
    You are talking as if the U.S. is giving Saudis money for free and as if the oil worth nothing! And all these factories are for nothing! Well if oil really does not have a great value then do not buy it, you buy it because you need it not because you are helping anyone.
    And you really need to visit Saudi Arabia. You probably think that people here lives in tents and ride camels, right? Sorry but you need to update your information about Saudi Arabia.

    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    We risked american lives in Koosivo, even transpoted some of the refuges to America.
    You mean that is why a little kid was shot in the head in front of a UN car in Kosovo??
    Originally posted by rick barclay
    Osama Bin Laden and his
    allies have effectively told the world, "There are no more rules."
    You mean there was rules before??? When clinton bombed a factory in Sudan it was not against the rules??

    Originally posted by rick barclay
    Afganistan for sure. After that, it depends on the Iranians and Iraqis. Pakistan is shaky and might be the next target for the Islamic militants. I'm fairly convinced now that all this posturing by muslims about how peace loving they are is just that. It's a big lie. The mass demonstrations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other Islamic states against the United States proves to me that most muslims do not want peace with us.
    If peace means giving you our land money and letting you kill us and help others kill us and be happy with it then I do not think anyone wants that, actually I do not know how would you call that peace??

    Originally posted by Betazep
    Isreal fires missles at organizations that send suicide bombers to blow up their busses (to name one instance). You want an article or five, idiot.
    So that is why they kill Palestinian kids all the time, and that is why they kill the Palestinians that only got stones, and that is why they did not let the kids go to school (first day at school this semester) they all were suicide bombers, right??

    Originally posted by Betazep
    Tell me... oh master of the known... what happens to an Islamic middle eastern man that steals a loaf of bread due to hunger.
    I will tell you what would happen if that happened here (in Saudi Arabia) he would not be punished (since it is only a loaf of bread and he wanted to save himself of dying) but he would be encouraged to find a job rather than stealing.

    Originally posted by Betazep
    Palestinian children are sent into the streets to throw rocks, firebombs, and even grenades at Israeli soldiers. They are taught in their schools and mosques to hate Israelis and Jews. They are urged by television ads to 'cast down their toys and take up arms'. They are trained in special summer camps to be "holy warriors" in the 'Jihad' against Israel and the Jews. It is no surprise then that the are among the casualties in the wake of violent clashes between Palestinian mobs and Israeli soldiers.
    Correction: Palestinian kids see israeli soldiers everywhere shooting/hitting/killing/torturing their parents/neighbors/friends and all their loved ones all the time, do you think that would make them love israelis?? And do not forget they came to their land and they want to kick them out of it or just kill them all.

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    i believe i would sign up if needed!!

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    You (well, most of you) don't know what it's like to be at war, we are at war here and all we want is peace, and we are not using Bio/Chem/Nuclear weapons!!! Like one guy back there said, the guerrilla uses gas tanks filled with explosives and metralla (nails and fun stuff like pointy steel chunks)

    Going to a war like this sounds terryfying, imagine going to THE war (the one we're talking about).

    The world needs peace.

    But right now I would rather be over there, bacause you're safer than in the USA, because in there you can have masks or stuff like that; but not because I want to fight.

    yeah, the WTC thing is completely horrible, but even more people have died at colombia because of the war, and we are still thinking of peace (maybe it's because we (most colombians) are true catholics)

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    >He is a Muslim and he is nothing like Hitler and he cares for Muslims that why he is doing what he is doing. Actually, if all you know about him (and about Taliban) is from the media then you will think he is the worst person ever, but you should know the truth from the people that have been there. I never watch the news because I realized it is usually not the truth or at least not the whole truth I mean I used to hear that Taliban spread drugs and grow them and always hurting women and stuff and I did not know what is the truth (of course I usually never believe anything that is on the CNN because they make it sound the way they wanted to be) anyways, a couple of weeks ago I read an article written by an Egyptian man (sorry I forgot his name and I would post a link but it is in Arabic) he said that he used to believe what the media made up about Taliban but then when he went to Afghanistan (he went with some organization or something that they had some work there) he said that he found out the truth about Taliban that they are not bad (like the media says) but they are actually good. He said that they were trying to make Afghanistan a better place and to fix everything that was ruined by the wars and they stopped all the people that been making drugs and they burnt all the drug plants that been there before the Taliban and they are not hurting the women by anyway actually there was schools for women and he saw women in the streets so they weren’t treating them like what the media said, and he saw all that by himself he did not go and asked the Taliban what are they doing, he saw the truth that the media does not want anyone to see.
    Sorry I know I’m not good at translating so it is missed up. <

    1. Read this

    Translated roughly, Taliban means "students" or "seekers of knowledge," though by now the term holds a much more loaded meaning to many around the globe.

    The current rulers of Afghanistan, the Taliban would be considered a repressive regime by virtually any measure. Women enjoy virtually no rights in Afghanistan, where they are not allowed to attend school, work or even hang out in most public spaces. Public executions are routine under the Taliban and citizens can receive corporal punishment for crimes as minor as not sporting the correct length beard. Viewing of secular movies or television is strictly forbidden and western entertainment such as MTV is particularly unacceptable. Even seemingly harmless activities such as dancing and kite flying are not allowed.

    The Taliban justify these rules through their reactionary, fundamentalist interpretation of the teachings of Islam. They virulently oppose the rise of western culture, which they view as decadent and an affront to God. They condemn any tangible signs of the West that impose on what they view to be the lands of Islam, among these being the state of Israel. Eliminating the Jewish state is a prominent part of their ideological agenda.

    When Soviet troops packed up and left Afghanistan in 1989 after an unsuccessful 10-year attempt to gain control of the country, a power vacuum emerged. After an armed struggle, the Taliban seized the capital city of Kabul in 1996. Today, they rule all but the northeasternmost region of the country, which is controlled by a coalition of rebels known as the Northern Alliance (see "What Is Afghanistan's Northern Alliance?").

    The Taliban have become the center of the world's attention and the object of U.S. wrath over the past month for their role in harboring terrorists, specifically Osama bin Laden. In the weeks leading up to the U.S.-led attacks on Afghanistan, President Bush demanded that they turn over bin Laden or be considered enemies of the United States. The leaders of the Taliban chose the latter course and the bombings began.

    Despite their notoriety, knowledge about specific members of the group is still relatively patchy, though their leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, is a recluse who rarely makes public statements, and then only through aides.
    2. We are boming the taliban since they refused to give up Bin Landen. We gave them as second, they give him up the bomming stops.

    >I know that the U.S. helps some of the 3rd world countries but they do not do it for nothing. In Africa, they just help the people that are Christians, they won’t help Muslims even thought in the media they will say that they are helping the whole country but they help them if they would convert to be Christians. Lots of Muslims die there and the aid workers do not help them at all because they are Muslims. Do you think that would make any Muslim like the U.S.?? And do you think people in Afghanistan will like the U.S. because they are sending them food and bombing them at the same time?? And now the U.S. is sending food to Sudan, Do you know why they just started doing this? Because they just discovered oil there<

    Well maybe this is becase when we tried to give food to the mususm in africa, we were killed. Gezzz I rather give food to someone I wasn't going to risk my life for.

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    for those of you who are not sensitive to bad-taste-jokes, visit

    http://207.5.16.128/torresgemelas/humor.htm

    it's a page with a series of twin-towers jokes, it's in spanish, but watch the images...

    REALLY, IT'S NOT THAT I AM ENJOYING THE ATTACK, just visit it if you want to laugh for a while and IF YOU'RE NOT SENSITIVE TO THIS KIND OF JOKES

    don't blame me if you don't like it

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    Yeah, I'm barely a teenager...I won't sign up yet, although when I'm old enough, I could be one of them info warriors or a technician.
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    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    Translated roughly, Taliban means "students" or "seekers of knowledge," though by now the term holds a much more loaded meaning to many around the globe.
    The Arabic work Taliban means two students and that is not what their name means.

    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    Women enjoy virtually no rights in Afghanistan, where they are not allowed to attend school, work or even hang out in most public spaces.
    They are allowed to attend schools but in Islamic countries women do not study at the same schools men study in (some studies in the U.K. (I think) proved that studying in an all boys or all girls school makes students learn better) and if you watch anything showing you people in Afghanistan you will see the women there which means they are allowed to be in public.

    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    Public executions are routine under the Taliban and citizens can receive corporal punishment for crimes as minor as not sporting the correct length beard.
    They will be punished for not having the correct length beard?? Where did you get that from?? And what is the correct length for beards? There is no such a thing like that and again if you are going to watch anything about Afghanistan you will see that some of them does not have beard at all.

    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    Viewing of secular movies or television is strictly forbidden and western entertainment such as MTV is particularly unacceptable. Even seemingly harmless activities such as dancing and kite flying are not allowed.
    Some of them got TVs but they are so poor they hardly even got electricity and MTV (and anything like it) is full of bad things so it is good not to view it. And I never heard that there is anything wrong with kite flying and yes dancing (men and women) is not allowed because it is a bad thing (sorry I do not know how to explain why but if I found a site talking about it I will post a link).

    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    2. We are boming the taliban since they refused to give up Bin Landen. We gave them as second, they give him up the bomming stops.
    Taliban offered to give up Bin Laden if the U.S. showed them one proof it was him, which they did not.

    Originally posted by gamegod3001
    Well maybe this is becase when we tried to give food to the mususm in africa, we were killed. Gezzz I rather give food to someone I wasn't going to risk my life for.
    When did that happen? And why would the poor people in Africa kill anyone that wants to help them?

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    Most contries in the world after seeing the evidence link the terrorism to Bin Lauden and al Ciada. The Taliban unfortunately do not want to participate with the rest of the world. In the end there will be no more Taliban. We should be talking about the next government. Hopefully it will represent the mixed cultures in that region and people will get along. I think that the prime minister of Pakistan is a cool. He doesn't seem like a military dictator like Sodom. That is the first time I heard from anyone from Pakistan.

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    Love Muslims(u too "a muslim")!!

    Well......i'm one that is in a deep dilemma. i have a very loving friend who by faith and birth is a muslim. There is a no better human than him in this earth, i bet lord. And on the other hand, as i said earlier in one of the other threads......i'll be the first to jump outa joy if Taliban is killed and Dawood Ibrahim is brutually murdered.

    They are juz individuals to me and i dun see them as muslims by any chance, though they declare themselves as representatives of muslims.

    I can understand wat "a muslim" feels, for so does my friend feels too. He is being hated for no reason.

    Well arriving at the point.....Yes, i would sign up for any fight against the brutal terrorists..who know no diff btw lives & peas. But unfortunately America wouldn't want me :-(....for i'm not her kid!!*

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    >"I just don't understand this," an Arab-American university student told Middle East News Online. "We are part of this tragedy, we are buried under the rubble, we are sharing our blood with the survivors, we are helping in the rescue efforts, we are praying for the victims' families, we're raising American flags over our houses, and shedding tears while watching the horrific scenes on television... But here we are, standing alone, facing the hate of millions who, rather than searching for the real criminals, chase after innocent Americans for simply being of a different background or a different faith."

    The Washington Post reported that at least 100 Muslim organizations (to date) in the United States have reported hate crimes and harassment. In the Washington D.C. area, two mosques and a bookstore were vandalized. In New York, a man pointed a gun at an Arab gas station attendant, threatening to shoot him. In Texas, assailants attacked a mosque with random gunfire. <

    How cute, Mr. Muslim--start your rant pleading for sympathy for
    the muslims allegedly killed in this murderous muslim terrorist
    attack and then switch to that tired old put-the-Americans-on-
    a-guilt-trip routine with complaints about muslims being
    harrassed by Americans. It just goes to show me that muslims
    don't give damn about anybody but themselves, and they'll
    try any means available to them to get what they want, including
    mailing anthraxed letters to innocent human beings, while pleading mercy, mercy from an unsuspecting enemy. And while
    we are on the subject of hate crimes, just how safe has it been
    for Americans to walk the streets of any muslim country the past
    few years. How secure would my person be walking down
    Saddam Blvd. in Baghdad, or Avenue of the Ayatollahs in Tehran?
    You're just another muslim hypocrite who complains about
    mistreatment of your kind but does nothing al all to counteract
    mistreatment of our kind. We know you now. We have tried to
    live in peace with you. You say you want peace while your
    comrades butcher all of humanity's moral guidelines, including
    your male-dominated treatment of women. Well, the party's
    over bub. The lights are out in Kabul. And pretty soon they will
    be out for Al Koala, too. Good night.

    rick barclay
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    This is America calling!

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    I don't feel like reading all of this, but as for this comment....

    >He is a Muslim and he is nothing like Hitler and he cares for Muslims that why he is doing what he is doing<

    Your a moron. Pure and simple.
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    >>He is a Muslim and he is nothing like Hitler and he cares for Muslims that why he is doing what he is doing. Actually, if all you know about him (and about Taliban) is from the media then you will think he is the worst person ever, but you should know the truth from the people that have been there. <<

    ........ off back to where ever you came from muslim. We don't want any bin Laden sympathisers around here.
    Ramble on...

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    Anybody watch the concert for the N.Y.C. emergeny workers
    at Madison Square Garden last night? It was on tv here,
    channel 13, a public broadcasting station. Wow! What a
    great show: Bon Jovi, Billy Joel, Melissa Etheridge, Adam Sandler,
    The Who, The Rolling Stones, Destiny's Child, Billy Crystal,
    Chevy Chase do ing a Dubya impersonation, Howard Stern,
    Backstreet Boyz...the show was still on when I left for work
    at 10:30. It was a moving experience to see those firefighters
    holding up the pictures of their lost friends and relatives and to
    hear each and every performer salute these great people and
    express their hearfelt emotions. It was a pretty low-keyed
    affair at 7:30 when I first tuned in, but by 10:00? Man that
    place was rockin and rollin and having just a good time gettin
    down and brown. There was even a hip hop guy there, not the
    most endearing music to firemen, if you know what I mean, but
    the people liked him, too, and danced to his brand of melody.

    Since Sept. 11, I definitely sense a coming together of the
    different peoples around here. We seem to be doing a little bit
    more to show ourselves and others that we can treat everybody else
    as civil as we ourselves would like to be treated. Last night was
    just one more demonstration of that. Let's hope and pray it lasts.

    rick barclay
    No. Wait. Don't hang up!

    This is America calling!

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    that concert was spectacular, although i only caught two or three of the acts. Ohh well, at least Chris Kattan was funny... too bad he was introducing Destiny's Child.

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