How many must die?

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    No offense to my generation, but the youth of today are pansies. I'm all for going in and beating the **** out of every afghan in sight. In fact, I helped some relatives pound a sign that said "Nuke them all" into the ground. And later, my highschool bound sister says that the students in her govt. class did not like the sign. Im my opinion, my sisters school is full of pansies. Their view is to say to Osama "Please do not do that again. Here's five dollars."

    I point all of them to what the great Heinlein said in the book Starship Troopers: Violence has solved more problems in the past than anything else.

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    Respectfully I disagree....

    What about the responsibility of these innocients as you call them? Do they have no responsibility in life? What about their responsibility to fight for human rights and to fight against the Taliban? Are you going to go over there and watch over them for the next 10 years and make sure they don't organize another terrorist organization?
    I have to disagree with you here Witch King. Maybe I'm onl;y seeing one picture but....Many of these innocents struggle for livelyhood every day. Just to live. Thousands are streaming into Iran for refuge, and have been for a while now just for food. Iran has gotten to the point where it has had to close its boarders. Besides, it is hard to rise up agienst a government that controls all facets of the media. In case you haven't noticed Afganistan is in the middle of a dacades old civil war now. War ravages. Many of these innocents are just trying to live in a war torn country, rising up is not really an option.

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    I fully realize he ment tacticals. Or at least i hope he did! And I totally agree that if anyone nuked us we'd throw so many nukes at they would be dust right now. However, I do not think that we should, under any circumstance be the first one to use a weapon of mass destruction. Not only would it throw nearly all of world opinion agianst us but it would also make us TOTAL hypocrits.

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    So the german citizens who did not like what was hapening to the Jewish race but did Nothing were also inocent. NO they were not.
    I do not blame them at all. Besides the fact that most germans, both who approved and who didn't, did not know about what was truely happening to the Jews. Furthermore, it isn't exactly easy to rise up, especially in small numbers agienst a facsism. There were Germans who did rise up, many were carried off by the SS, many even turned in by their own brain washed children. No I do not blame the germans now, nor the ones who did have anything to do with the holocaust. Howeverm, I am loose on my defnition of doing nothing. If they had a chance to do something, to truely do something and didn't, I may be tended to lean towards "passive approval" and thereby guilt.
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    If the USA was hit with a nuke I don't know whether or not they would be able to respond. It doesn't matter how many nukes you have. It's important who hits first. In that case I think that the USA should store a couple nukes in Canada so that the whole continent doesn't get whiped out.

    I would agree not to use nukes as long as you can strip these arabic governments of their weapons of mass destruction. I'm not sure if the USA can even win a war against the arabs without using weapons of mass destruction. They might not be able to win a ground war there. It's actually tough to say what will happen, but something has to be done, there is no doubt about that. Hopefully the USA will not get struck again in the meantime. Some people have been talking about biological weapons.

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    >doesn't get whiped out.

    hypothetically. but i am a firm believer in the hypothetically happenstance of the universe in general.

    minor notice: if the whole continent was wiped, that would include canada, i think you meant country...
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    First of all as to nukes...we could always strike back, no need to hide them in Canada either (sry Canada). That's what nuclear submarines are for....

    And as to war, I don't think it will be much of an issue as to needing to win the type of war you're talking about, i don't thinke we'll actually invade anyone in the conventional sense. If we did, and in the case that we win the US would be stuck occupying another country for a prolonged period of time with unhappy and rebellious natives. Basically right back to colonialism, it would never work. The terrorism that would be carried out in the new occupide terrirority would probably be unthinkable. And if we were to loose it would mean we'd lost thousands of lives in battle.

    As to biological, i think you were joking Witch but to dispell anyone else's thoughts, that would effectively mean the end of most of the worlds population. There's no way to contain a biological agent from killing and spreading.
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    noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

    let's not be the death of eachother PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it must be 5 billion years from now when we have no choice and the sun explodes......... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    hey if we die in 5 BILLION years because we haven't been able to get off this rock and settle somewhere else in all that time i think we deserve it on some level...don't you?
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    YANK!!!

    zero.) dejavu, ......... i've seen our two posts before...............

    one.) hey if we die in 5 BILLION years because we haven't been able to get off this rock and settle somewhere else in all that time i think we deserve it on some level...don't you?

    haha, good point.......

    too.) how can we define critical times? that's why my ideas/emotions on this are confused probably the most... i found it strange, and might have been just placing false patriotism just because. that, and it's 11:23, so maybe i'm just too tired...
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    It could turn into a real war because nobody knows what Pakistan will do. They say that they will help but it's already turning buerocratic (how the christ do you spell that?). They are now saying that they will comply with the UN but not the US. Who knows what could happen!
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    >Who knows what could happen!

    i, in particular, don't know what anyone would ever do. and it seems to me like there are a lot of brewing politics over it. my english teacher said she didn't believe in anything unless she heard it from 5 sources... i agree... and personally i think following the many [perhaps 7 or so] WTC-related threads on this board is getting hard [possibly redundant]... just like i felt to let go of the girls thread after, being the fourth or so person to post... hmmm..........
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