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    Originally posted by Zach L.
    Procyon, what is the point of getting into that argument again? It will not change anyone's views (no matter what their views are), and will simply result in numerous people being angry at each other yet again.
    I am aware that no one ever changes their opinion on the internet while arguing with anyone else. Mostly I do it in the hope that 'lurkers' who are relatively neutral on the issue and therefore don't actually post (but read the arguments) become aware of the great disparity in evidence between the two sides, and are aided in coming to the correct decision that way. Or at least I hope that I can embarrass creationists into saying something monstrously stupid or contradicting themselves, quieting their obnoxious unqualified dismissals of hundreds of years of research for a little while while they sort themselves out.

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    Why did this (any) god allow ten thousand , now read that number again ten thousand innocent people die in such a way.
    Indeed. I would not forgive anyone who had the power to stop Tuesday's events but did not use it, and I imagine no one else here would either. (Except Mr. Witch King, who was probably dancing in the street.) I don't see why it should be any different with God - why didn't he stop it if he's omnipotent?

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    Religion is not to blame for this, evil is.

    In most religions, killing is not condoned. Even people that are not religious are usually opposed to it. Anyone, however, can misinterpret a religion (or belief) for their own purposes, and then justify their actions through that religion (or belief). This can be done by people regardless if what they do is expressly forbidden by the religion that they 'follow'. This can happen with Muslims, Christians, Jews, numerous religions I cannot even think of at the moment, and Atheists.
    Very true.

    Why did this (any) god allow ten thousand , now read that number again ten thousand innocent people die in such a way.
    God is not responsible for our actions.

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    thanks for the support, not only you, in this post there are people
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    >There is just as many Muslims that are upset over this terrorist attack as there is christians that are upset about it. <

    Yeah . Thet're so upset they went out into the streets
    and danced in remorse for the victims. You are sickening.

    >IF these terrorists are from middle east they do not share the same belife as almost everyone else in that area. <

    Another bald-faced lie. There are celebrations all over the muslim world, even in this country parties were thrown among the muslims of New York City. You are all pigs, and as sure as I
    heard the whining flights of military jets over my home last
    night---you will pay for what you have done. Your history is
    among the bloodiest of all mankind. Don't think you can fool
    us by hiding behind your children and "peace-lovingness."
    You are nazis, and you will share the same fate.

    >you are from norway? sweden?
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    i still think that this unregister person is great!! lol<

    Do you see what asssholles they are? They come to our
    country, use our resources, kill our citizens and themselves,
    and their followers come to this board and mock us. Is it any
    wonder why we wish them dead?

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    You are all pigs, and as sure as I
    heard the whining flights of military jets over my home last
    night---you will pay for what you have done.
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    You are nazis, and you will share the same fate.
    You sound like one yourself. I thought that we had for the most part, stopped being so prejudiced. You seem to think that all Muslims are killers. This could not be farther from the truth.

    There are celebrations all over the muslim world, even in this country parties were thrown among the muslims of New York City.
    Have you even heard anything that has been coming out of the Middle East? There are many, many people saddened by this event all over the world, including countries like Saudi Arabia, Palestine, etc.
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    If you think that all Muslims should pay for what happened, then by that same logic, every American citizen should pay for a lot of stupid things that have been done in our country's history.

    Perhaps we should all pay for the bombing of the federal building in Oaklahoma city. The bomber in that case was an American citizen.
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    Yeah . Thet're so upset they went out into the streets
    and danced in remorse for the victims. You are sickening.
    All the Palestenian know is that American support israel that always killing innocent Palestenian so the American are helping their enemies against them so when they heard that the American got bombed they were happy and they didn't know who got bombed innocent civilians or who and they are sad now that innocent people died but innocent Palestenian die all the time did you ever feel sad for them?

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    >Or at least I hope that I can embarrass creationists into saying something monstrously stupid or contradicting themselves, quieting their obnoxious unqualified dismissals of hundreds of years of research for a little while while they sort themselves out. <

    and why do you do this?

    evoulutionist can't agree on anything and are constantly contradicting themselves and im not gonna argue about wether evolution is valid or not, but remember this the theory of evolution is not scientificly defined as a theory in that it is never been tested and or reproduced there fore it is a hypothesis not a theory.

    >I don't see why it should be any different with God - why didn't he stop it if he's omnipotent?<

    why do you ask such stupid questions? to try and turn people away from God? HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS SAME QUESTION BE ANSWERED!!!
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    evoulutionist[sic] can't agree on anything and are constantly contradicting themselves and im[sic] not gonna[sic] argue about wether[sic] evolution is valid or not, but remember this the theory of evolution is not scientificly[sic] defined as a theory in that it is never been tested and or reproduced there fore[sic] it is a hypothesis not a theory.
    It has been tested countless times. In fact, it has so much support that most scientists call evolution (as defined by 'a gradual but dramatic change in species over time') a fact. (The specific mechanism, neo-Darwinian evolution by descent with modification, remains a theory.) Please consult the list of supporting evidence I posted. Ninety percent of these items were not known until after 1859.

    As I said before, if you really want to debate this issue, please prepare graphs, references, and links to direct physical evidence. This is a scientific issue, and that is how science is debated - not by mouthing off about whether it is or is not a 'theory'.

    why do you ask such stupid questions? to try and turn people away from God? HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS SAME QUESTION BE ANSWERED!!!
    I ask because I want to understand the religious position better, as I haven't heard a satisfactory answer yet. The only excuse I've heard is something to the effect that it's not God's fault because humans did it, which doesn't even address the question. I'm not trying to 'turn people away from God'; I'm just asking a question that a lot of people must be asking right now. Perhaps you can answer it and turn people back towards God who are doubting their faith over this?
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    >You sound like one yourself.<

    Good! It will take a wild pig to kill one.

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    >If you think that all Muslims should pay for what happened, then by that same logic, every American citizen should pay for a lot of stupid things that have been done in our country's history.

    Perhaps we should all pay for the bombing of the federal building in Oaklahoma city. The bomber in that case was an American citizen.<

    They are. They will. We have. We are. We will.

    You sound like a moron.

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    I know that sounded moronic. It was your logic.
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    <All the Palestenian know is that American support israel that always killing innocent Palestenian so the American are helping their enemies against them so when they heard that the American got bombed they were happy and they didn't know who got bombed innocent civilians or who and they are sad now that innocent people died but innocent Palestenian die all the time did you ever feel sad for them?>

    So go fight the goddamned Israelis and leave us the frick alone,
    you beast! But it's too late for that, now. Not my doing.

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    Procyron, I think you'll find most of the religious people on these boards think, they don't just mindlessly do what the (or what they think) the bible says.

    And Procyron: your long-assed posts are almost as bad as a fundie post.. bring up one point/reference at a time, and when somebody pokes a hole in it fill in the hole with another point/reference or start on something else. There is just too much information.

    You can believe in the Universe, or you can believe in God or you can believe in yourself. You know what I mean. Aside from the organizational differences (as well as the moral compass) of each religion, there's not much of a fundamental difference between each in terms of proof and believabilityaidsf [sic]. Haha! BEAT YOU TO IT!

    btw: my current stance on evolution is that it's probably true... my being religious doesn't mean I automatically take everything in the bible literally, as Atheists have a disappointing tendency to.

    Also, since I'm a coward and all that with school to do and extremely limited internet access, I probably won't reply much more.
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    Originally posted by Zach L.
    I know that sounded moronic. It was your logic.
    What logic. Whose? Explain yourself.

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