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    I need advice from some experienced programmers

    Well we all know that VB is not the fastest and most professional like of the computer languages...but it gets the job done quick and easier....although I hear is kinda slow.....but you "code" it faster. Sometimes I like to think of VB as the AOL of computer languages......My question is do you think it's worth it to learn VB after someone has already learned C++ and Win32.........Note: I have not yet learned C++ nor Win32........But I'm working it on it.
    There are some real morons in this world please do not become one of them, do not become a victim of moronitis. PROGRAMMING IS THE FUTURE...THE FUTURE IS NOW!!!!!!!!!

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    >I like to think of VB as the AOL of computer languages
    I like that, it's so true

    But seriously, VB is something you want to learn because it's actually used more than C for simpler applications and GUI overlays for C or C++ processing. It's a trade-off, use C or C++ for everything and get better efficiency with more work, or get a less efficient GUI that is much easier and faster to create so that you can concentrate on the C/C++ processing.

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    If you want a language to do RAD on win32, and you already know C++, it may be worth looking into C# rather than VB.

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    VB is the AOL of computer languages?

    So it charges for endless engaged signals, sells your information to telemarketing and doesn't let you connect normally and doesnt let you cancel your account?

    VB isn't sounding very good.

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    >VB isn't sounding very good
    Visual BASIC. Just because a modern and cool sounding keyword like visual is used doesn't mean that it isn't still BASIC

    >it may be worth looking into C#
    I agree, I've been hearing good things about Windows Forms with C#.

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    If you have the coin, you might as well stick with a product like Borland C++ Builder. But your future employers will likely have something else to say about that...

    As an aside, I'm currently taking a "Computer Science" course in highschool, and of course it uses visual basic. It's painful, and the string manipulation has got to be the worst in the universe, but it's still fun to make text adventure games

    It'll take you no more than a week, if even that, to learn how to use Visual Basic, so you might as well.
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    There is a best tool for each job. You have to know all your tools to make a decision which you use. You should have a look into as many languages as you can find. The more you learn, the more you will see, that the language itself is just a tool. What counts is how you use it.

    VB is used a lot in the real world. Not because it's a nice language. Not because it allows for beautiful coding constructs. It is used because it get the job done efficiently.

    If you know C++/Win32 well, no language will take you more than one or two weeks to learn. Syntax is easy. You could train an ape to learn syntax. The important thing is to know how to construct something. To plan it. To know what happens behind the scenes.

    If there is a question of learning it or not, always learn it. Noone ever said he regreted learning something.

    I agree on the C# part. It will take a good part of the VB market share. So learn both
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    So once you know C++ and Win32 it shouldn't be very hard to learn VB........right?
    There are some real morons in this world please do not become one of them, do not become a victim of moronitis. PROGRAMMING IS THE FUTURE...THE FUTURE IS NOW!!!!!!!!!

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    If you have no programming experience at all it shouldn't be too hard to learn VB :P

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    Originally posted by Prelude
    If you have no programming experience at all it shouldn't be too hard to learn VB :P

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    VB probably isnt the best option for budding programmers.

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    Sadly, some flavor of BASIC is the first language that most people learn.

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    I don't think it's really a bad idea to learn some form of BASIC as a first language (as long as the instructor doesn't abuse goto, like so many of them are known to do)... It's easy enough to not scare people away from programming immediately, and it gives them an idea of how programming should be... That way, when they move onto real languages, they can catch on a little easier...

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    >>As an aside, I'm currently taking a "Computer Science" course in highschool, and of course it uses visual basic. It's painful, and the string manipulation has got to be the worst in the universe<<

    Heh, I had to take the same exact thing before I could get into C/C++ courses. The string manipulation is easy as hell, though...
    Code:
    Dim something as string
    something = "this" + " is" + " easy"
    label1.caption = something
    I'm a VB genius.


    VB isn't a bad thing to learn, like nvoigt said - learn whatever you want. Learn it all if you want. I certainly don't regret learning it, although the words "mindnumbingly easy" can't seem to stop popping into my thoughts...one thing that did get me with VB was winsock. I tried it one day but couldn't quite get it. Oh well


    Oh, and the bad thing about C# is that you need the framework on whatever machine you're running it on - at least VB can compile into an real exe (at least my prof. told me that). Still it's a great language, and you can create the controls manually in your code if you want (which, IMHO, I like better sometimes)

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    BASIC is a very good language to learn as your first language. Although, yes, you must have a good teacher. As I look back on my BASIC days I realize that my teacher never onced touched arrays. In fact, she built a huge wall around arrays and shielded us from them for time and eternity, along with pointers too. She should have taught us those.

    >VB probably isnt the best option for budding programmers.

    Yes...you probably shouldn't start with VB, but it is definitely easy to learn. I remember when I was learning to program, this was the sequence I learned in:

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    Toolbook (which we like to call Visual Logo )
    Visual Basic

    Visual Basic came pretty easily. If you know BASIC, you know Visual Basic (since Visual Basic is a BASIC compiler...for Windows). There were some difficult things, but it came pretty easily.

    >I'm currently taking a "Computer Science" course in highschool, and of course it uses visual basic.

    Mwahaha...in Computer Science in my school district, they start with C++...mwaha...if you want to learn any form of BASIC whatsoever, you have to take Computer Literacy, which is Middle School, not High School.
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    I would take the computer programming cource at my school next year...but the 'advanced computer programming class', the highest one, teaches 'advanced topics' such as 'arrays', 'functions', and other big words like that, that you certainly couldnt learn on your own *cough*cprogramming.com tutorials*cough* . And you are required to take beginning computer programming before that, which is like 'data types' 'entering code'..and other stuff that you could learn on your own _much_ faster in my opinion.

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