Swedish Pirate (as in, comp) Party wins seats in Brussels!

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    Swedish Pirate (as in, comp) Party wins seats in Brussels!

    Hey look at this:

    Pirate Party Wins and Enters The European Parliament | TorrentFreak

    a little quote:
    At least partially, The Pirate Party puts its increased popularity down to harsh copyright laws and the recent conviction of the people behind The Pirate Bay. After the Pirate Bay verdict, Pirate Party membership more than tripled and they now have over 48,000 registered members, more than the total number of votes they received in 2006.

    With their presence in Brussels, the Pirate Party hopes to reduce the abuses of power and copyright at the hands of the entertainment industries, and make those activities illegal instead. On the other hand they hope to legalize file-sharing for personal use.
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    I just hope they do something good without breaking world order.
    Another fine example on why we shouldn't vote on parties, but rather on what we wish to see accomplished, and then see the parties try to make it happen. Now THAT is democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I just hope they do something good without breaking world order.
    why so picky?
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    They don't call themselves pirates for nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Another fine example on why we shouldn't vote on parties, but rather on what we wish to see accomplished, and then see the parties try to make it happen. Now THAT is democracy.
    Don't you do that when you vote anyway? The whole point of the party system is the idea of a platform.

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    This could set a precedent.

    The Retire 2 Years Earlier Party or 35 Hour Work Week Party would probably win 100% of votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    Don't you do that when you vote anyway? The whole point of the party system is the idea of a platform.
    No, it isn't.
    For example, the pirate party - they want to lessen copyright rules, yet who says they won't make it legal to upload copyrighted stuff so others can download - on purpose?
    I don't agree with that.

    Furthermore, why do I have to choose between a subset of things I would like to see?
    Like part A does stuff A and party B does stuff B. Which one should I vote on? Why should I have to prioritize?
    And what if some of their views differ from mine?

    I don't like the system. Not one bit.
    I don't want to find out what the parties want, say or does, and dislike.
    I know what I want and dislike and I want to vote on THAT.

    This is exactly why I don't vote on anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    And what if some of their views differ from mine?
    The point would be to have parties so focused you either agree with them or you don't
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    And what if I partly agree with their views and partly not?
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    Then they're not focused enough, and you should tell them that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    No, it isn't.
    For example, the pirate party - they want to lessen copyright rules, yet who says they won't make it legal to upload copyrighted stuff so others can download - on purpose?
    Wouldn't "making it legal" be to "lessen copyright rules"? There is no contradiction there...
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    Should they focus on a mere question? Or one mere view?
    Let's face it - it just isn't feasible.
    If they focus on just one question - that's too little! I won't get my views known.
    If they focus on more than one question - then someone is going to disagree with their views and have to choose to vote on them or not, and by doing so, they are basically sending a message that everything that party wants is right, or is at least what YOU want.
    This system is flawed; it simply cannot please enough people.

    If you were allowed to simply vote on what YOU thought what important (and not vote on something you don't find important), you'll see that you can please a whole lot more people.

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    Wouldn't "making it legal" be to "lessen copyright rules"? There is no contradiction there...
    I mean they could try to make it legal to make backups of your own media (DVDs, CDs, etc), but they should NOT make it legal to crack a game and upload it for the rest of the world to download.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia
    I know what I want and dislike and I want to vote on THAT.
    In other words, you want every proposed law to be put to a referendum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    In other words, you want every proposed law to be put to a referendum?
    Well, that's quite dramatic. I don't we need to go that far...
    But a voting system is far better - especially with today's technology. Use Internet or SMS or something like that and vote on a poll, for example. I see that as a better solution, though it might need to be refined a little.
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