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    I think the responses on this board are usually just right for the questions asked.

    People have different personalities and that is the way of the world. No one has ever been anything but helpful to me, when I ask a question.

    Some of the responses can be "mean" but usually that is out of the frustration of the copy / paste homework assignment, with the added can someone program this for me.

    This is a message board for programming so I don't see the need to dance around someone's feelings. But that being said, I don't think there is a need for someone to be flat out rude to a beginner question(Not that I really can think of an instance of that).
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    Yeah, there are a few, but some of the questions deserve it.

    The biggest one (IMO) has a post-count-graph of (see attachment).

    But they've seemed to stop being so "elite", see if you can work out who it is :-)

    ... no it's not matsp (because he's not a snob).
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    Huh - I thought I knew who you were talking about until I noticed that the plot actually peaks above 9,446 posts...so I guess I was wrong.
    Code:
    #include <cmath>
    #include <complex>
    bool euler_flip(bool value)
    {
        return std::pow
        (
            std::complex<float>(std::exp(1.0)), 
            std::complex<float>(0, 1) 
            * std::complex<float>(std::atan(1.0)
            *(1 << (value + 2)))
        ).real() < 0;
    }

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    Hehe, I don't think they're a snob... Perhaps I should have put a few dates on it
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    People should not waste their time ranting out of topic... If someone asks a question and posts code, do not correct an other part of the code 'cause you have NO ........ING IDEA if the person who asked the question knows it GOD DAMN WELL and just put a temporary solution or something. Thank you.
    What if they DON'T?

    For example, in a thread I just posted in.
    Program crashing when I use IO

    I pointed out something wrong in what's not even posted.

    When I post a question, I would much prefer people to point out all the problems (or potential problems) they notice, or potential ways to do something better.

    This way, when I post a question, I almost always learn a lot more than just the answer to the question.

    Afterall, they are spending THEIR precious time helping me for free.

    If I am aware there is a problem in my code and would like to ignore it for now, I would say so in the post.

    Conversely, when I answer questions, I would, by default, point out everything I think is not optimal ("wrong" or not) by my humble opinion, unless the poster specifically says something like
    I know the code has numerous bugs and there are ways to do things better, but I would like to ignore them for now.
    (I sometimes do that, too, when it's something I just wrote in 30 seconds just to prove something)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hubris View Post
    This is not a generalization, but an obvious trend, so If you're offended by my comment, you need to ask yourself WHY you are offended.
    I'm offended by beginners who come here expecting to be spoon fed without cracking a book or even Googling for help first.

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    I realize this debate is a bit heated but that does not give any of us the right to use outright profanity which is clearly against the forum guidelines. I will clean the posts up but if there are any more posts with blatant profanity and a clear disregard for the guidelines I will close this thread.

    Let's breathe a bit and bring it down a few notches.
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    Cyberfish, I hate it when people waste time on answering everything else than my question, and I hate it so damn much when people have to write a billion lines of explanation of the problem without being asked to do so -.-

    An example:

    Me - "So I dunno where I should put the deletion of that pointer"
    'Helper' - "Pointers point to memory in your RAM and bla bla bla bla thus need to be deleted for bla bla bla, I know pointers are hard but you'll learn them eventually"

    Now that makes me just loose it and loose all faith in humanity D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    Cyberfish, I hate it when people waste time on answering everything else than my question, and I hate it so damn much when people have to write a billion lines of explanation of the problem without being asked to do so -.-

    An example:

    Me - "So I dunno where I should put the deletion of that pointer"
    'Helper' - "Pointers point to memory in your RAM and bla bla bla bla thus need to be deleted for bla bla bla, I know pointers are hard but you'll learn them eventually"

    Now that makes me just loose it and loose all faith in humanity D:
    so that's what you were talking about
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    haha I see what you mean.

    Point out potential problems is one thing, needless elitism is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    Cyberfish, I hate it when people waste time on answering everything else than my question, and I hate it so damn much when people have to write a billion lines of explanation of the problem without being asked to do so -.-

    An example:

    Me - "So I dunno where I should put the deletion of that pointer"
    'Helper' - "Pointers point to memory in your RAM and bla bla bla bla thus need to be deleted for bla bla bla, I know pointers are hard but you'll learn them eventually"

    Now that makes me just loose it and loose all faith in humanity D:
    Can you point to a real example instead of a contrived one?

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    >> Now that makes me just loose it and loose all faith in humanity D:

    The reason people don't like to give straight answers is that they are typically trying to get the OP to think about the problem more carefully. A lot of times, this is the actual root of the problem. Whether it's because of lazy-mindedness, ignorance, skewed perspective, or whatever, there is some lack of understanding that manifests itself as a proliferation of questions. If one were to answer these individually and without explanation, nothing would really be gained, as the misunderstanding might never be cleared up. Unfortunately, those with questions are often overwhelmed and eventually grow impatient, and as a result miss out on so much useful advice, which is a real shame.
    Code:
    #include <cmath>
    #include <complex>
    bool euler_flip(bool value)
    {
        return std::pow
        (
            std::complex<float>(std::exp(1.0)), 
            std::complex<float>(0, 1) 
            * std::complex<float>(std::atan(1.0)
            *(1 << (value + 2)))
        ).real() < 0;
    }

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    medievalelks, I'm not gonna dig through my MSN log...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight
    I'm not gonna dig through my MSN log...
    Why do you ask for help via instant messaging? The advantage of a public message board is that you have multiple people who might answer your question, and then more people who would review and possibly correct the answers.
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    It's faster and I know some knowledgeful people... Also, MSN has a nudge button! :O There's no nudge button on the boards ._.
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