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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    Why would you think the webmaster would want this responsibility in this case?
    I assume that any libel case brought to court will involve the webmaster whether he wants that or not. He owns it, and is liable.

    If the email BuzzBuzz wrote is the full text, then he has made no attempt to separate himself from someone who really could, actually sue for libel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Internet tough guy
    I shall give you opportunity to reply to this communication before
    deciding whether to take this matter further.
    I am simply unsure whether taking the matter further is really a threat that BuzzBuzz is fit to make for anyone else. I just don't want anyone to go to jail over it. We might not have a board anymore, if that happens. Crazier things have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    I assume that any libel case brought to court will involve the webmaster whether he wants that or not. He owns it, and is liable.
    Only if BuzzBuzz intends to sue cboard. My chance of getting a boat out of that one may not be so great.

    Hey I just want to repeat myself in case anyone is paying attention:

    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    I didn't do my degree in CS, but I guarantee if this issue involved English or Comparative Literature, I could quickly find some heads of institutes who would remember me, take me seriously, and quite probably weigh in publicly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxorator View Post
    Why do the universities care so much? The cheaters are only harming themselves. They can't graduate properly without learning these things anyway.
    Becaus eit causes unfair competition for entry level spots with people who are qualified to perform teh work, and when they fail at teh job it makes the university look bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    I assume that any libel case brought to court will involve the webmaster whether he wants that or not. He owns it, and is liable.
    No, UK laws are specific. The webmaster would only be liable in such a case as he/they allowed libellous statements to be made and took no action in the event that someone notified them of the libellous statements. The libellous statement has been made against this site, and others, and their users by the association.

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags
    If the email BuzzBuzz wrote is the full text, then he has made no attempt to separate himself from someone who really could, actually sue for libel.
    That's because by implied association of this site with Contract Cheating I am being libelled, as is every other user of this site and all the other sites mentioned in their list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteflags
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    I shall give you opportunity to reply to this communication before
    deciding whether to take this matter further.
    I am simply unsure whether taking the matter further is really a threat that BuzzBuzz is fit to make for anyone else. I just don't want anyone to go to jail over it. We might not have a board anymore, if that happens. Crazier things have happened.
    Before you start throwing around playground insults you better make sure that you actually understand what is going on. If you don't, as the case appears, understand how libel works, or how UK laws work then I suggest you ask for clarification instead of wading chin deep into your own cesspit.

    For your information, suing people left right and centre is an American thing. In the UK, litigation is a last resort. I have pointed out to the author that I feel libelled by their inference of complicity in Contract Cheating of this site. There are many other avenues open to "taking things further" than litigation.

    Also - no one goes to jail for libel as it is a civil tort. I'm not making any threats (in fact, I'm not making any threats at all!) or decisions for anyone else other than myself. I've also made it abundantly clear that I am speaking for myself, not for the site or its admins:

    "a site that I frequent"
    "The site I refer to"
    "As a user of the site"
    "you are accusing me"
    "against my character"
    "Your list is libellous to the sites listed and users of those sites"

    And what I posted is the full text, barring my name and contact details. However, this issue is not only about this site, it is about EVERY legitimate site listed on there.

    But let's take a step back and look at what I'm getting at (and we're all supposed to use logic, so let's apply some):

    The list is named "CheatSiteURLs" - that implies that ALL sites named in that list are for cheating. Agree/Disagree?

    The header title is "Sites associated with Contract Cheating" - that implies that ALL sites named are associated, or complicit by definition, with Contract Cheating. Agree/Disagree?

    The implication is that users of each of the sites are Contract Cheaters by association - the forums do not populate themselves and as I have "helped" users in my own unique way the inference is there that I am complicit in Contract Cheating along with each and every one of you. This isn't "Internet Tough Guy" talk as Surrender Flags would say, this is cold logic.

    Now, I hope that the stick has now been firmly grasped by the correct end and there is no more confusion and that I do not have a one man mission to destroy this site using heat rays from Alpha Centauri or anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxorator View Post
    Why do the universities care so much? The cheaters are only harming themselves. They can't graduate properly without learning these things anyway.
    Why do educators care about their students and not want them to harm themselves?

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    I would recommend we allow the webmaster or kermi to be the voice on this issue. Just as you would not attempt to make a public statement about a company or product you did not fully own without the proper permission you should not make statements about how the admin of the board stands on certain topics unless you know for sure the stance and/or have the admin's permission.
    I would not recommend any users attempt to be 'the voice' of this board unless they have been designated to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    I would not recommend any users attempt to be 'the voice' of this board unless they have been designated to do so.
    I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, or just a general reminder of representation.

    In case there is still confusion over what I am doing or said: I am not representing this site, or attempting to be its voice.

    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzBuzz View Post
    I'm not speaking for any of you, or this site. I'm speaking for ME. I am representing my interests and have nowhere implied that I speak for or on behalf of cprogramming.com. My references to cprogramming.com are the implied association between its users and Contract Cheating, as one of its users that association is extended to my person.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzBuzz View Post
    I'm not making any threats (in fact, I'm not making any threats at all!) or decisions for anyone else other than myself. I've also made it abundantly clear that I am speaking for myself, not for the site or its admins:

    "a site that I frequent"
    "The site I refer to"
    "As a user of the site"
    "you are accusing me"
    "against my character"
    "Your list is libellous to the sites listed and users of those sites"
    I posted my communications with the authors of the list as it is pertinent to this discussion first and the site second.

    Obviously this issue makes some people uncomfortable, so I won't post any more of my communications with the authors of the list. That does not change the fact that I as a user of this site (and others listed) object to the implication of being associated with contract cheating. As such I will be continuing as I have done in defending MY rights, but I won't be posting updates. If anyone is interested in the issue and wants to contact me about it, they can do so at tricklepicklebic@googlemail.com (I hope posting an email address is ok, if it's not then please moderate it out).

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    Personally I don't give that lame site any more credit than they deserve, its some backwater anti-cheating site, its opinion matters about as much to me as my hamburgers opinion on what brand of toilet paper I should use.

    In both cases I take their opinion and wipe my ass with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Personally I don't give that lame site any more credit than they deserve, its some backwater anti-cheating site, its opinion matters about as much to me as my hamburgers opinion on what brand of toilet paper I should use.

    In both cases I take their opinion and wipe my ass with it.
    It's Birmingham City University and the authors are apparently leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection. As such, their research and methods should be beyond reproach otherwise they bring themselves and their institution into disrepute.

    You can do what you like with opinions, but when opinion is dressed as fact something needs to be said. There are a lot of people out there who blindly accept "facts" without question - especially when they come from an apparently reputable source.

    I wonder if this is how they did the research for the list

    Also, the list has been offline since late last night, it appears to be corrupted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzBuzz View Post
    It's Birmingham City University
    Never heard of it, i.e. backwater. Oh I'm sure its king ........ in its little corner of the cesspool, but the rest of the world couldnt care less.
    and the authors are apparently leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection. As such, their research and methods should be beyond reproach otherwise they bring themselves and their institution into disrepute.
    Everyone always thinks they are leaders in their field. They are just posers .

    You can do what you like with opinions
    Like ignore them? They are trolls with their own web site. They are trying to convince acadimia that they serve some vital purpose, probably in hopes of getting grant money.

    If it bothers you then .......... to them, but please do it somewhere else, as this whole thread is going nowhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Never heard of it, i.e. backwater. Oh I'm sure its king ........ in its little corner of the cesspool, but the rest of the world couldnt care less.
    I'm not sure which university you went to, but I guess it wasn't Harvard, Standford or MIT - which is about the ones I've heard of in the US (actually, I know Texas University too). So if you have only heard of Oxford and Cambridge, we're about the same level. I can probably name another dozen or so universities in the UK, but I could certainly not give you a list of ALL of them. I have been to the Birmingham City University a couple of times (knew one of the tutors, who last time I heard was working for Intel's Compiler team, he was working on embedded systems, to be precise, and I did a tutorial on x86 processors that they took on). It is not the top univiersity in the UK, but it has good reputation in the it's area of influence.

    But I guess that since you live in the US, you don't care about things that happen in the UK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Never heard of it, i.e. backwater. Oh I'm sure its king ........ in its little corner of the cesspool, but the rest of the world couldnt care less.

    Everyone always thinks they are leaders in their field. They are just posers .



    Like ignore them? They are trolls with their own web site. They are trying to convince acadimia that they serve some vital purpose, probably in hopes of getting grant money.
    You know, for someone who claims to be so bright, either you're not very bright.....or just trolling.

    I have the ability to highlight the key matters in this issue and use them as discussion points. I do not control peoples level of understanding of the issue and I'm certainly not your geography teacher. Please read the background information and all the posts before declaring something as worthless.

    Quote Originally Posted by abachler
    If it bothers you then .......... to them, but please do it somewhere else, as this whole thread is going nowhere.
    As I've already stated I am doing it somewhere else and won't be posting regarding those actions here. If you feel this thread is going nowhere (and that is your opinion upon which I am right now taking your advice) then exercise your skills in free-will and don't engage it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzBuzz View Post
    It's Birmingham City University and the authors are apparently leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection. As such, their research and methods should be beyond reproach otherwise they bring themselves and their institution into disrepute.
    Okay, these are computer science professors who are "leaders in their field of anti-plagiarism and contract cheating detection". Hah! Now I am beginning to understand just what a dungpile this is. Didn't I say to start with:
    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    You might as well throw your mind in the garbage as take this tish seriously. And I bet most professors would agree with what I am saying. But there are crackpots in academia -- perhaps these busybodies are some of them? Surely their (paid) time would be better spent in more serious pursuits (unless they are the kind of academics not taken seriously by their peers, and so are left with nothing better to do).
    Which is not to malign the U of B, I am quite positive every university (no matter how great) must maintain it's quota of crackpots, eg, Harvard economists who believe a return to the gold standard will be good.

    Unfortunately, it does imply that they may now be at a point where, having failed to make much of a dent internationally doing something real, they are now resigned to making a name for themselves this way. I guess we will see.

    Even more of a reason for someone to bring this to the attention of some more reasonable academic, of which I am sure there are many who would be willing to provide some temperance before this rolling heap of scrap snowballs.
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    I remember in a Programming 1 course our teacher told us about how someone from a programming forum contacted him that a student of his tried to comission him to do a homework assignment for him. The student was failed from the course.

    Honestly, programming 1-2 these days are not that much work that you'd need to pay someone to do the homework for you.
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