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    The problem is getting the computer to boot from a USB drive, whether that be Win7 or WinXP.
    I never knew how to do it...
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Omg... Their download manager sucks >.<! said I could shut it down and continue it, but when I tried continuing it, I got some 'Fatal Error' and had to start all over again >.>
    Anyways, I've only heard good stuff about Windows 7 o.o especially that it doesn't demand as much from your PC as Vista :P
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    It sucks you have to use their download manager in the first place.
    I remember being able to grab the Vista beta builds without Microsoft's download crap.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    It sucks you have to use their download manager in the first place.
    I remember being able to grab the Vista beta builds without Microsoft's download crap.
    I agree.It's slow as snail.
    With direct download links we can choose download managers of our choice.
    Btw, Did you notice download manager seems to be an applet?.
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    Microsoft using an rival's technology to spread it's product?!.
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    On my Linux/Firefox I got a direct download (no download manager). Guess it's OS detection =).

    I am downloading the 64-bit version for... no particular reason.

    I am going to run it in VMware, so hopefully drivers won't be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmithx View Post
    I agree.It's slow as snail.
    With direct download links we can choose download managers of our choice.
    Btw, Did you notice download manager seems to be an applet?.
    [irony]
    Microsoft using an rival's technology to spread it's product?!.
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    Yes, I have noticed. It uses Java, at least for Firefox. They tend to do that since Firefox doesn't support ActiveX.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    On my Linux/Firefox I got a direct download (no download manager). Guess it's OS detection =).

    I am downloading the 64-bit version for... no particular reason.

    I am going to run it in VMware, so hopefully drivers won't be an issue.
    I've tried installing it under VMWare. It didn't work. Reboots spontaneously during installation and never recovers.

    That MIGHT be because I'm running a Mac Mini running Linux running VMWare trying to run Win7 inside THAT, but my suspicion is that it just doesn't work.
    Code:
    //try
    //{
    	if (a) do { f( b); } while(1);
    	else   do { f(!b); } while(1);
    //}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    The problem is getting the computer to boot from a USB drive, whether that be Win7 or WinXP.
    I never knew how to do it...
    Kind of requires your motherboard to have that particular function, all new motherboards have it, but anything older than 2 years and chances are slim. Also, what drivers are you having problems with for x64? I've been running XP x64 for over a year now and i have never had any problems, except a _very_ old tuner card, but i couldn't even find any 32-bit drivers for that.

    Everything else works right out of the box, so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you are mistaken, x64 is mature now...
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    I have problems with my wireless NIC not working out of the box, seems x64 wants to connect to the internet to find drivers for it...

    BTW its a linksys, so not exactly some no-name brand.
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    It looks like VirtualBox supports it too.
    http://blogs.sun.com/arungupta/entry...windows_7_beta
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    That MIGHT be because I'm running a Mac Mini running Linux running VMWare trying to run Win7 inside THAT, but my suspicion is that it just doesn't work.
    Hmm I don't think the host (Mac/PC) matters, it's just x86. What version did you use?

    Great that VirtualBox supports it... but I downloaded the 64-bit version (I don't think VB supports 64-bit guests).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Hmm I don't think the host (Mac/PC) matters, it's just x86. What version did you use?
    Of VMWare? 6.0.2 build-59824

    I can't install Vista under VMWare either, though XP does work. Which is why I think it might be some weird hardware incompatibility.
    Code:
    //try
    //{
    	if (a) do { f( b); } while(1);
    	else   do { f(!b); } while(1);
    //}

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    Hmm I am currently installing it under VMware 6.5, no problems so far.

    I thought Vista is an officially supported guest?

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    Works for me.

    http://cyberfish.wecheer.com/tmp/w7.png

    6.5.1 build-126130

    All virtual hardware appears to be supported (nothing outstanding in device manager, network and sound tested)
    Even VMware Tools work.

    Installation took ~15mins. ~70MB/s harddrive. 3ghz Core 2 Duo.

    Didn't really do anything special. Selected "Vista 64-bit", SCSI HD, "Will install OS later" (didn't trust Easy Install, since it identified the ISO as Vista).

    BTW, is it just me or does the taskbar look really much like the one in KDE 3...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
    Kind of requires your motherboard to have that particular function, all new motherboards have it, but anything older than 2 years and chances are slim. Also, what drivers are you having problems with for x64? I've been running XP x64 for over a year now and i have never had any problems, except a _very_ old tuner card, but i couldn't even find any 32-bit drivers for that.

    Everything else works right out of the box, so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you are mistaken, x64 is mature now...
    I'm going to try x64 once more, to see if drivers all there & all that. However, I am having problems booting off the damn USB drive. It always refuses to boot from it, no matter what I do.

    UPDATE:
    I managed to do it. Running x64. No problems with drivers so far.
    Incredibly enough, creative's x64 drivers works perfectly compared to their x86 drivers under Windows 7.
    Bass, surround... all works so far as I understand.
    There is yet one device to test, as soon as I can get my hands on it, though.
    Last edited by Elysia; 01-15-2009 at 05:14 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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