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    > Don't want to make a new partition for it because I have something against secondary partitions... and I happen to already be using 4 partitions.
    Me too. I had to make do with /boot on my Linux partition because of it

    Win7, woot.

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    Microsoft servers still seem to be having some slight problems with the links to the download and it has been that way for... a long time.
    But direct links usually works, yes. That is how I grabbed my copy.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    I'm not even a heavy user of Windows and it excites me! I'm even holding off a computer upgrade until DX11.

    I thought they were taking down the downloads to add more servers? Or did this happen a while ago?

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    They are adding more servers as far as I am aware.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    How many of you guys are trying the 64 bit version?

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    Not I, seeing as that would require me to burn it to a DVD and boot from it.
    Not to mention the usual lack of drivers... typically they are missing.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Speaking of which, when will MS drop support for 32-bit if ever?

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    When the 64-bit ecosystem actually works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    When the 64-bit ecosystem actually works?
    Also, for most intents and purposes, 32-bit is enough for MOST applications and most of us do not have enough memory in our machines to make it valuable to use 64-bit. There are some side-effects of the 64-bit ABI and the 64-bit processor architectures that give some minor benefits, but the true move to 64-bit will happen when there is a "killer app" that requires more than 4GB of memory to itself. For some niches, this has already happened, but for most mainstream users, this is not yet the case.

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    I seem to recall that the newest version of OSX is going to essentially nix 32 bit (has it happened already?) If Microsoft would pull the plug on 32 bit, then we could move on. I agree with your assessment, Mats. That said, I wish Nuance would make their Dragon Naturally Speaking into 64 bit. As software goes, the more ram you can give it, the better...

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    On a related topic, UAC in Windows 7 is still there and it's still broken.
    Microsoft has been kind enough to be able to let us shut up some prompts, such as when doing system changes.
    But too many applications just don't support / use UAC yet. The solution would be to run them as Admin (compability options). But some Microsoft software (system software) is STILL broken (requires an elevation for certain things, but doesn't ask for them) and you CAN'T select compability options for them!
    Furthermore, there STILL is no option to shut up specific prompts for applications you select.
    In other words, UAC = still fail. Disable it.

    Oh yes, did I mention that the right-click -> run as admin option doesn't work for these system software?
    Great, Microsoft. You did terrific...

    Quote Originally Posted by kermit View Post
    I seem to recall that the newest version of OSX is going to essentially nix 32 bit (has it happened already?) If Microsoft would pull the plug on 32 bit, then we could move on. I agree with your assessment, Mats. That said, I wish Nuance would make their Dragon Naturally Speaking into 64 bit. As software goes, the more ram you can give it, the better...
    But Microsoft cannot do this until manufacturers get their butts working and create reliable 64-bit drivers for all the devices out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Odd... I've been running 64-bit Linux for the past 2 years or so. Haven't had any problem :-).

    The only reason I moved to 64-bit is because I'm paranoid one day 32-bit will just "stop working"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
    Odd... I've been running 64-bit Linux for the past 2 years or so. Haven't had any problem :-).

    The only reason I moved to 64-bit is because I'm paranoid one day 32-bit will just "stop working"
    Linux is much easier, as (almost) all drivers are available in source-form, so you can easily recompile the driver to work on the 64-bit OS - and most drivers have been used on other 64-bit architectures before x86-64, so they have been ported.

    In Windows, the drivers are most often not supplied open source, or supplied by MS, so it is up to many different suppliers to provide proper 64-bit drivers.

    The core of Windows 64 works just fine, and has done for several years. The drivers are what is holding people back.

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    I found a very interesting video on how to install Win7 from a sub drive, btw:
    http://edge.technet.com/Media/Instal...g-a-USB-Stick/
    It's definitely worth checking out.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Er... nothing different from installing XP from USB

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