First oil, then warming, now ..cooling?

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    First oil, then warming, now ..cooling?

    First we had oil at 147 a barrel because we were running out. If we didn't do something we were all doomed. Now we are at oh 35 a barrel or so. Still running out but OPEC is cutting production by 50%. Yes we will run out but not when the wackos say we will. Cooler heads prevail.

    Then we had warming, oh sorry, climate change as it is called now. Since warming cannot be proven factually the wackos went for climate change since that accomodates for if the earth warms or cools. But then again it could cool because of global dimming caused by global warming. Eh ok. I think some people are quite dim themselves.

    Now we have global cooling. Hehe. Yep it's in the news now. Remember though if we don't act to stop global warming we and all the polar bears are doomed to die horrible deaths. But wait last year was colder than most and now we have snowstorms in Las Vegas. Uh oh. Now some are saying global warming has stopped or been reversed (even though they previously said all of our attempts to curb warming wouldn't be sufficient and we were dead anyways). So let me get this straight. Last year if we didn't act immediately and pass all kinds of ignorant laws about CO2 and all that we were dead. Even if we did pass the laws we wouldn't feel the effects for 20 years or so. Now in ONE year all that warming trend has been erased? Some websites are saying that the net drop in temperature in the last two years has erased any net gain that was being used to tout global warming.

    Fools.

    I'm not in the global warming or cooling group. Both have a huge money trail. I think I'm just gonna sit back and laugh until the next new crazy theory comes out and dooms us all.

    Either way we are all dead right? It's interesting that in this information age we actually get to see these wacky theories develop much quicker than before and they become commonplace very fast. In the 1970's it was cooling, in the 90's it was warming and now from 2002 to 2008 it has gone through both warming and cooling. So in a span of 6 years we have seen the money trail go from the warm side to the cool side. I wonder what is next? Oh and now finally some of the outlets that claimed CO2 was the main cause of warming now say that solar output is causing cooling...but they don't dismiss the warming effects of CO2...but that solar output is a much bigger factor than CO2. Nice. They also say that at no time in history has cooling been good for a civilization. In fact they say cooling is worse. So they just admitted that solar output is a huge factor in cooling when just last year they dismissed the very same thing to explain warming. What a bunch of idiots. So I think most warming websites should say they are simply climate change websites. When the climate changes donate money to us and we will fix it by taking away your freedoms. So if it gets hotter...it's our fault and if it gets cooler...it's our fault. So in reality aren't they just against technology and progress of any kind?

    Wake up. This isn't scientific progress people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    Now we have global cooling. Hehe. Yep it's in the news now.
    That doesn't make it true. According to NOAA, this November was one of the WARMEST ever on record. Some parts of the US and probably elsewhere in the world have seen serious winter weather this year, but that's hardly proof of cooling.

    Additional energy in the atmosphere can manifest in many ways. For instance, by pushing cold northern air farther south than it usually goes. As always, in a system as complex as the Earth's atmosphere, it's practically impossible to prove any kind of causal relationship on any timescale shorter than a few hours.

    Regardless of what the weather looks like out my window, I believe the overall global temperature measurements. The Earth is getting warmer.
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    I believe the earth is indeed getting warmer - we're still coming out of the last ice age. Duh.

    As for the oil - yes, we were at 147, now at 35. Why the rise to 147? First, it was because of "Katrina". Then, "Rita". Then, this last spring, it was due to a "shortage" from cutting over from winter to summer mixtures. Now, they are blaming it on the "Traders" driving the price up. It's all the oil companies. Do they think we're dumb? The traders work for the oil companies. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino View Post
    I believe the earth is indeed getting warmer - we're still coming out of the last ice age. Duh.
    I don't know if humans are the cause of the warming temperatures, or if that's even a falsifiable statement. I do know, from basic chemistry, how CO2 operates in the presence of thermal radiation. I have no reason to doubt the results of the equations which predict what sort of impact a change in CO2 levels would have on the mean global temperature. I'm not willing to throw my entire faith in basic chemistry and physics out the window, just yet.

    The science predicts a rise in temperatures as CO2 levels rise. Such a correlation is observed. I don't see the controversy there. Are these rising CO2 levels due to human activity? Again, maybe not falsifiable, but the obvious correlation with the beginning of the industrial age is hard to ignore.

    Just because you look out your window and see snow doesn't really mean anything.
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    The science predicts a rise in temperatures as CO2 levels rise.
    Actually from what I have read the science shows that CO2 levels lag behind the temperature changes. Always temperature first then CO2. The main culprit in warm and cool cycles is solar output which is something we have no control over.
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    All I know for sure is that winter's had a hell of a lot more snow when I was a kid. These days we might get a few good snow storms, but most of the winter there's hardly any snow on the ground. Today is a great example of the messed up weather -- it's 14C in Toronto now! Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brewbuck View Post
    I don't know if humans are the cause of the warming temperatures, or if that's even a falsifiable statement. I do know, from basic chemistry, how CO2 operates in the presence of thermal radiation. I have no reason to doubt the results of the equations which predict what sort of impact a change in CO2 levels would have on the mean global temperature. I'm not willing to throw my entire faith in basic chemistry and physics out the window, just yet.

    The science predicts a rise in temperatures as CO2 levels rise. Such a correlation is observed. I don't see the controversy there. Are these rising CO2 levels due to human activity? Again, maybe not falsifiable, but the obvious correlation with the beginning of the industrial age is hard to ignore.

    Just because you look out your window and see snow doesn't really mean anything.
    Actually its mostyl deforrestaton and disruption of plankton growth that has the largest effect. Both of these are responsible for 99% of the conversion of CO2 to O2. Fewer trees/les plankton means the carbon dioxide builds up to a higher concentration. Luckily, the higher the concentration the more an individual tree/microbe can process up to a point, so it is difficult to get into a runaway situation, but we are effecting it. Forget the whole driving cars things, that really has little effect on long term CO2 concentrations.
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    Actually its mostyl deforrestaton and disruption of plankton growth that has the largest effect. Both of these are responsible for 99%
    From what I heard that was meant to be around two thirds.

    Apparently, only trees in sub/tropical climates do a lot to prevent warming. Trees further from the equator convert less CO2 and reflect less light. Which is basically meant to warm the planet more.

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    All I know for sure is that winter's had a hell of a lot more snow when I was a kid.
    Hardly a scientific fact or observation but duly noted.

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    Getting cooler? This year, temperature has scarcely dropped below 0 and there still is no sign of snow in the south parts of the country, despite temperatures having been able to reach -20 a few years backs.
    I wonder...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Getting cooler? This year, temperature has scarcely dropped below 0 and there still is no sign of snow in the south parts of the country, despite temperatures having been able to reach -20 a few years backs.
    I wonder...
    But my country has had a cold summer (20C - 30C), or at least it hasn't started yet . Last year it also snowed in winter -- in Australia! And not even near the alpine region, nor greatly above sea level.

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    I wish we did have global cooling. Summers are getting way too hot!
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    I wish we had more global warming. The winters are too cold
    But then again... summers are hot...
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    In all admittance, the only real change I've noticed in the weather is the fact that it's been fluctuating greater than I've ever remembered. In New York it's been going from 12F one day to 60F the next. I don't remember any deltas that great in my life.
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