I'm so disconnected from C++ these days.

This is a discussion on I'm so disconnected from C++ these days. within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally Posted by abachler The thing to consider is that no single writing style will appeal to everyone. People have ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    The thing to consider is that no single writing style will appeal to everyone. People have different levels of expectation, prior knowledge, reading comprehension, and intelligence.
    That is correct. But I think jwenting's comments are more to the point - it describes the language, it is not trying to teach you how to use the language - you are assumed to have a good understanding of the subject of programming, basic understanding of programming languages, object orientation and other such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matsp View Post
    That is correct. But I think jwenting's comments are more to the point - it describes the language, it is not trying to teach you how to use the language - you are assumed to have a good understanding of the subject of programming, basic understanding of programming languages, object orientation and other such things.

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    Which falls under expectations and prior knowledge. When I buy a cookbook, I dont expect it to teach me to cook; it is assumed that you have a basic understanding of food preperation technology. On the other hand if I buy 'How to cook for dummies' I would expect it to teach me what a measuring spoon is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Which falls under expectations and prior knowledge. When I buy a cookbook, I dont expect it to teach me to cook; it is assumed that you have a basic understanding of food preperation technology. On the other hand if I buy 'How to cook for dummies' I would expect it to teach me what a measuring spoon is.
    I think we are in full agreement on all accounts - I just think that jwenting expessed the REASON that it's not a good teaching book, whilst you described the proverb "different hourses for different courses", but not the reason WHY it's different from a teaching type book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indigo0086 View Post
    Considering the book I prefer is the one you recommended to me, it's a sign of your recommendations.
    Which means your preference is C++ Primer, 4th Edition by Lippman, et al. A fine book indeed and I'm pleased you think so too.

    Curiously enough though there's no distinct writing style on either this or C++ Programing Language's. Both books are absolutely transparent on what comes to show the writers style, and make an effort instead to be manuals of the C++ Programming Language.

    If you see a difference, I commend you and must be certainly from the fact you carry a distinct advantage (or on this case, it appears, disadvantage) over me; your higher knowledge of the English language.

    You can however say Stroustrup's book is clearly more terse. But, as said, it doesn't pretend to teach you how to program.
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    I guess it's me then. I started reading the book not too long ago, even though I know a good deal of C++, but I wanted to hear it from the mouth of the creator.

    The problem with the book and I is that not only are the code examples a bit short while doing quite a bit at times (reminds me of my Unix programming teacher), but even if I were to use it as a reference, the language used is very verbose and detail laden where as I'm used to more concise and "to the point" ways of having things described (via a code example or a short description, with the details as a sidebar. I like to have a clear line between the "core" and the earmarks.

    I also was reading it from start to finish which probably isn't a good Idea for a "tome" or "reference" book, but it is written in a way that it comes off as an instructional guide.
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    I don lyk da way Stroustrup rites cuz he is lyk a teechr xplane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c++0x View Post
    I don lyk da way Stroustrup rites cuz he is lyk a teechr xplane.
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    looking over c++0x's posts he seems to be a contributing member despite his horrendous delivery. I think he's being ironic. Maybe he's like rain man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indigo0086 View Post
    looking over c++0x's posts he seems to be a contributing member despite his horrendous delivery. I think he's being ironic. Maybe he's like rain man.
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    > Now I know why there is a www.noslang.com.
    It doesn't do slang of his high-grade very well

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    >It doesn't do slang of his high-grade very well
    Indeed.
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