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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Dude. Back down.
    We get it, that you love the 360. You do not have to needlessly repeat it. It will everyone annoyed with you and nothing more.
    I would only own a 360 if it were stolen. Which is my attitude about Windows, Office, and any other microsoft product.

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    Your choice. I can see no love towards Microsoft in there.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Flying chocolate cookies! Why are you people so serious all the time? :P I does not believe in stolen 360's, 'cause I don't want to! :P
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    I want a flying cookie... to be clear is that chocolate chip or some other kind of chocolate cookie?
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    It's one of those with chocolate in the middle and then... Cookie... Bread thing on each sides... Yeah that's the one
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    Being a programmer and loving Microsoft are nearly mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by master5001 View Post
    Being a programmer and loving Microsoft are nearly mutually exclusive.
    Says who? I would prefer to use windows to program over anything else out there.
    Debugging with gdb or Visual Studio... Hmmm... there's a tough decision.

    But seriously, each OS has good parts and bad parts to it. I prefer usability.
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    OMG, my friend just got this message from his windows... Think it's XP. "This program was shut down to protect the computer: Windows Explorer" So, is windows just a massive virus!? :O
    He should have screenshot it, and sent it to Microsoft :P
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    No version of windows I know of has that error message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    Says who? I would prefer to use windows to program over anything else out there.
    Debugging with gdb or Visual Studio... Hmmm... there's a tough decision.

    But seriously, each OS has good parts and bad parts to it. I prefer usability.
    And I'd prefer gdb over Visual Studio any day. Usability is relative, for me Linux is far more usable as I know how to do more stuff in it than I do Windows. Not to mention programming on Linux is far more enjoyable IMO.

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    Well most of the time I just sit down to debug with a listing, pencil, and my brain. I suspect that's not how they do it in the industry but if I poke around with a software debugger I'm too afraid I won't be able to focus on problems... inevitably dragging out the process. Software debuggers help me find memory leaks and stuff, and they all seem to do this about as effectively. Visual studio is nice because it's integrated, but other than that I don't see a significant difference.

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    Some people are good at memorizing lots of things that make very little sense, like all the cryptic 2-3 letter UNIX commands and all their hundreds of command line switches... On the other hand, I can't memorize anything; I remember things by actually learning them & why they are the way they are. Windows is great for that since it uses icons instead of boring console windows, and menu's & commands are usually spelled out in complete words that tell you what they do, which makes them a lot easier to remember.

    When I write code, I give my functions and variables meaningful names, not incredibly short names that look like something a high school kid text messaged over his cell phone. So why would I want my OS to be any different from my own coding style?

    Yes, UNIX comes with thousands of different commands that you can string together on the command line in some fancy way to manipulate your files, but that's why Microsoft created Windows Services for UNIX that you can install to have some of those commands and a UNIX-like environment. There's also Cygwin and probably other apps that can give you the same kind of functionality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    Says who? I would prefer to use windows to program over anything else out there.
    Debugging with gdb or Visual Studio... Hmmm... there's a tough decision.
    Yep, very hard decision.... hmmmm... after thinking about 1s, I choose Visual Studio!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    But seriously, each OS has good parts and bad parts to it. I prefer usability.
    I cannot say I love Microsoft for their tactics, but they sure know how to make good applications with lots of eye candy (even though their software is buggy and slow).
    I have yet to find an IDE equal to Visual Studio in all of this. Maybe I am just not looking enough, but oh well. At least Visual Studio is all I want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    OMG, my friend just got this message from his windows... Think it's XP. "This program was shut down to protect the computer: Windows Explorer" So, is windows just a massive virus!? :O
    He should have screenshot it, and sent it to Microsoft :P
    Actually, I believe that is a DEP (Data Execution Protection) message.
    I have gotten it a couple of times too, in XP, I believe. There are lots of these pesky shell extensions that just loves to crash Explorer.

    Quote Originally Posted by citizen View Post
    Well most of the time I just sit down to debug with a listing, pencil, and my brain. I suspect that's not how they do it in the industry but if I poke around with a software debugger I'm too afraid I won't be able to focus on problems... inevitably dragging out the process. Software debuggers help me find memory leaks and stuff, and they all seem to do this about as effectively. Visual studio is nice because it's integrated, but other than that I don't see a significant difference.
    Well, everyone is different, I would agree, but I would just go mad with that method.
    Debuggers are heavenly to me. If I find a problem, typically I just fire up the debugger and find the problem.
    Consequently, I have gotten very good with debuggers, presumably due to my heavy use of VS's debugger.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    Some people are good at memorizing lots of things that make very little sense, like all the cryptic 2-3 letter UNIX commands and all their hundreds of command line switches... On the other hand, I can't memorize anything; I remember things by actually learning them & why they are the way they are. Windows is great for that since it uses icons instead of boring console windows, and menu's & commands are usually spelled out in complete words that tell you what they do, which makes them a lot easier to remember.

    When I write code, I give my functions and variables meaningful names, not incredibly short names that look like something a high school kid text messaged over his cell phone. So why would I want my OS to be any different from my own coding style?

    Yes, UNIX comes with thousands of different commands that you can string together on the command line in some fancy way to manipulate your files, but that's why Microsoft created Windows Services for UNIX that you can install to have some of those commands and a UNIX-like environment. There's also Cygwin and probably other apps that can give you the same kind of functionality.
    Wow. Cpjust and I see eye-to-eye. I am exactly the same. I cannot for the life of me remember all the commands and switches for things and tend to forget, as well. I can only remember some after heavy usage or focusing on just one thing all the time.

    That is also why I prefer Windows over Linux - pretty user interface all the way before tricky command lines. I don't care if it takes more time, as long as it is easy to do and use.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    But with Linux you can have both! That's not the case for Windows.

    I'm not sure about IDEs though, don't tend to use them -- perfectly happy with vim and a few extensions to integrate svn, gdb, gcc etc.

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    With Linux, you do not have the compatibility of all Windows apps, nor drivers for your hardware. And you have to recompile the kernel when installing a driver (manually?) or manually restart the X-server (or whatever the GUI is called?) when installing a graphics driver.
    And you are usually safe from the Linux trends of "command lines first," "text-files, not configuration dialogs." Oh boy, have I seen a lot of those. Any Windows dev would never think in those lines if it is for a end-user.
    Oh and Vista's animations are a lot smoother than any I got from Linux and no tricky configuration is required (even though Linux has more eye-candy effects).

    So they are typically separate worlds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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