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Originally Posted by Yarin

I also don't hardley use templates, it's just that everytime I need to use them there's always another way of doing it. Far from the most important feature.

"Don't use templates" or "Don't write templates"?
If you don't use templates, then that means you don't use any of the STL, which is one of the biggest features of C++.

Originally Posted by Yarin

I also don't hardley use templates, it's just that everytime I need to use them there's always another way of doing it. Far from the most important feature.

I find that difficult to believe. You mean you never write any code that uses templates or write inefficient and duplicated code?

Originally Posted by Yarin

It's too early to say, I mean, how many C programmers do you think said the same thing about C++ when it first came out?

The amount of advantages C++0x has over C++ is very little. The amount of totally new features C++ has that weren't in C is a lot higher. And still C is still widely used 25 years later... (not only with embedded devices)

So, it may not die, but it certainly will take a lot of years for the industry to switch.

Originally Posted by Elysia

I find that difficult to believe. You mean you never write any code that uses templates or write inefficient and duplicated code?

Copy-paste isn't inefficient and it won't take much longer to compile either. And there's a very good alternative to templates - using pointers.

Originally Posted by maxorator

The amount of advantages C++0x has over C++ is very little.

Are you kidding me?
C++0x has huge potential over C++03.
R-value references, static assert, explicit conversion operators, interface requirements, variadic templates, lambda expressions...

The amount of totally new features C++ has that weren't in C is a lot higher. And still C is still widely used 25 years later... (not only with embedded devices)

Old habits die hard, I guess.

So, it may not die, but it certainly will take a lot of years for the industry to switch.

Mostly I would say, is the fault of lacking libraries and solutions. Microsoft loves to tie all those things into its dot-crap-net framework instead of MFC or other native solutions.

Copy-paste isn't inefficient and it won't take much longer to compile either. And there's a very good alternative to templates - using pointers.

And you call yourself a C++ programmer? :|

Originally Posted by cpjust

"Don't use templates" or "Don't write templates"?
If you don't use templates, then that means you don't use any of the STL, which is one of the biggest features of C++.

Okay, I misunderstood, so I use them, but I still wouldn't call it the most important feature.

Of course, cpjust didn't call them the most important feature either. He said, "one of the most important," which is probably true.

Originally Posted by Elysia

And you call yourself a C++ programmer? :|

Not really. I call myself a C programmer.

Well yeah, that explains your anti-C++ approach with C instead...
Don't back-talk templates... it's the best feature C++ has :/

This is exactly why I see so much "C+" code out there.