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    >> What's the source of the email?
    It's an email forward, who knows what the source is. That's irrelevant to the point of the page.

    >> Was it spam mail?
    Most likely yes. If not it would have been specified. The site is best known for debunking urban myths and email forwards.

    >> How many people do they think received these kind of emails?
    Ask them. Is it relevant? I'd imagine they only debunk/verify emails that are widespread enough to get attention outside of being forwarded or that are specifically requested or of interest. An item existing in snopes is not a comment on the relevance of the subject.

    >> Why was it considered a rumor?
    Who said it was a rumor? They are attempting to verify or debunk a claim.

    >> What I argue is the fact most of what that website does is fake rumors.
    Why do you think that? Just because you haven't been exposed to the urban myths, email forwards, or other claims it researches doesn't mean they're fake. Please provide an example of an item you think is fake?

    >> It's the worst kind of "rumors".
    The site is intended to be a fact-checking resource for people to look up claims they've heard or read and get information that verifies or refutes those claims. It is not like they make stuff up just to debunk it. People generally go to snopes with a subject in mind to look up.

    I still think you're confused about the site, otherwise I simply don't understand your objection.

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    >> Please provide an example of an item you think is fake?

    This one. Wasn't I obvious enough? For the fact it was news all around the world. If you want to debunk a rumor or myth, first find one.
    I'm not going to search the website for other crap I've seen before. But there's more.

    As for the treatment it usually gives to these things... I've said my piece; From weird non-copy scripts. to no links to references (instead just a footnote with the names of the references) there's a little bit of everything. And this is not even the worst. It hardly matters the truth of the text, if you purposely assume a position in which you are trying to validate something but then fail to observe the most elementary rules.

    Looking at a website like snopes and considering this a reasonable source of information is nonsense, and I don't care if someone's mother is the webmaster. Is this being an offending jerk? Then yes, I'm bloody offending jerk. Welcome.
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    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


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    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    >> This one. Wasn't I obvious enough?
    Are you claiming that the email never existed? Or are you claiming that nobody ever wondered whether those images were real or not?

    >> If you want to debunk a rumor or myth, first find one.
    This view seems rather narrow. Just because something seems obvious to you doesn't mean there aren't others who aren't sure of whether to believe it. This is especially true of email forwards, which should almost always be presumed to be false unless you find otherwise.

    >> From weird non-copy scripts.
    ESPN.com has similar scripts. Should I be looking elsewhere to confirm that the Rays won last night?

    >> to no links to references
    So not finding online links to sources that might not have been retrieved from the internet implies that the information is completely unreliable?

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.snopes.com/info/faq.asp

    Q: How do I know the information you've presented is accurate?

    A: We don't expect anyone to accept us as the ultimate authority on any topic, which is why our site's name indicates that it contains reference pages. Unlike the plethora of anonymous individuals who create and send the unsigned, unsourced e-mail messages that are forwarded all over the Internet, we show our work. The research materials we've used in the preparation of any particular page are listed in the bibliography displayed at the bottom of that page so that readers who wish to verify the validity of our information may check those sources for themselves.
    I have yet to see an example of snopes being incorrect about something. Do you have any examples? Or are you just basing your opinion on a gut feeling? And I don't understand the hostility.

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    This is exactly what the terries want to happen...

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    Daved, there's no hostility. Only what you seem to perceive.

    Your argumentation is based on casualty. Instead I argument on the basis of correlation. So yes, because of all those things, I find the website useless and its information unreliable. Just because I would have to answer no to your questions, doesn't mean I suddenly have to find the website reliable.

    The simple fact is that in my view of of the world is not. And is not because it doesn't provide factual data most of the time (it's not the case of this particular article) and lacks proper references to sources on most of the data it provides.

    The actual nocopy script is just a nag easily defeated if one knows how. Not even my main argument, but it further diminishes the chances of someone checking the information provided.

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    As for examples of snopes not providing factual, correct information, or missing sources, I'm purposely not giving you any. And it's been my intention since a little after this debate started. From your own argumentation, I don't need to and you are forced to agree with me that there are such articles.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    everybody that read this thread just got a little stupider.
    says it all

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    I will say only thing , Obama is king of the world

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    He is in a scary position. I mean he may get shot. Rednecks are still out there paving your roads, roofing your houses, and mixing up your cement. Just because there aren't hugely publicized KKK events or anything doesn't mean that I am not a little worried about Obama getting attacked.

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    Snopes is yellow. The sources might be correct, but they are intentionally misinterpreting things to get more attention (and bend the facts).
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    I'm making the claim that all of you are retarded.
    I'm not immature, I'm refined in the opposite direction.

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    >> they are intentionally misinterpreting things to get more attention (and bend the facts)
    Do you have evidence to back up this claim? It would seem that they do just the opposite. Perhaps you're also confused about the difference between the claims they check and the article itself?

    >> Snopes is yellow.
    Snopes doesn't seem to fit the description in the link you supplied unless you think the claims they are debunking are actually part of the article.

    >> I'm making the claim that all of you are retarded.
    Snopes has debunked this, too: http://www.snopes.com/embarrass/cprog_retarded/cprog_retarded.asp
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    Anyone who puts a smile on my face before 11:00 AM, is a-ok by me. You sir, are such a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobMcGee123 View Post
    I'm making the claim that all of you are retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin

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    I'm making the claim that all of you are retarded.
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    Everybody out! I have to poop! NOW
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    Dispite the fact that i'm heavily intoxicated, I take this to mean that you agree, that you are in fact, retarded.
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    Try replying again when you aren't "heavily intoxicated".
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