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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos View Post
    Gotta be careful though, there are a few purposfully untrue ones on snopes.
    Yeah definitely, was actually pointing out the ironic fact that everyone was siting snopes as their reliable source of information. Which seems outlandish to me.

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    >> everyone was siting snopes as their reliable source of information. Which seems outlandish to me. <<

    Note that in this instance, it shouldn't be outlandish that Yarin did considering the rest of his post. Also note that I only did in this case because Yarin implied with his post that snopes is reputable, so using snopes to rebut a separate point would seem to be difficult for him to refute (assuming he was approaching the topic from a rational perspective - a very suspect assumption).

    Despite that, though, I don't see the problem with using snopes. I find it to be a very good source of information because it explains in objective detail how it comes to its conclusions and provides references to back up the claims made on its various pages allowing the reader to continue the research himself should he so desire. That's what I'd want in a fact-checking website.

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    And a very good comeback it was.
    You got me.

    About snopes, I only linked to it because that's the link I was given to by a friend. I don't determine the validity of everything based on snope, I just find it to be 'moderatly reliable'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    'moderatly reliable'.
    There can't be any better words to describe "fully unreliable".

    EDIT: By the way, what makes you think it's moderately reliable? Something they say? You happen to read Obama books? Or, have you ever been sexually harassed by the whole Muslim population? Or... is it you just think it is moderately reliable because it looks moderately reliable?
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Have you been harassed by the whole muslim population? Must've taken a long time, I mean, it's the second largest religion in the world and all. That's even worse than waiting in the...waiting room, at your doc's office. Although I actually felt sexually harassed last time I was at my doctor's office (made me do the coughing thing), but probably not as harassed as you felt by the whole muslim population.
    I'm not immature, I'm refined in the opposite direction.

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    BTW, the snopes article linked to by Yarin was accurate (or certainly appears so). It was Yarin's interpretation and comprehension that was lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    I've seen a few Obama goers on here, I thought I'd share this bit of info with you all.

    In Obama's "Audacity Of Hope" he said "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.".
    Now, you might be saying "not all muslims are our enemy". Maybe not, maybe so.
    Yeah. Because clearly what he meant was that he sides with the enemy. That's a genius angle to get elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daved View Post
    BTW, the snopes article linked to by Yarin was accurate (or certainly appears so). It was Yarin's interpretation and comprehension that was lacking.
    Yes, precisely what the author of said article meant.
    That's accuracy for you.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    oh look, it's Yarin's mom! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwjlUMoLVvA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Yes, precisely what the author of said article meant.
    That's accuracy for you.
    What was inaccurate in the article? The question posed in the article was if the images were real, according to their research they are. And text does a fairly good job of balancing both sides.

    It isn't snope's "job" to condemn or support a given position. They are simply trying to weed out the false rumors from the true ones.

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    >> Yes, precisely what the author of said article meant.
    That's accuracy for you. <<

    I don't understand this post. It seems like sarcasm, but I don't get it. Could you clarify what you're trying to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos View Post
    It isn't snope's "job" to condemn or support a given position. They are simply trying to weed out the false rumors from the true ones.
    Are they?
    - Where's the sources of the pictures?
    - Where's the links to the articles?
    - Why they have a script not enabling you to copy/paste text?
    - What's weeding out false rumors with quotes such as "Why would anyone think we should be at war with such nice, peaceful Moslems!?"

    Weeding out false rumors is not what snopes.com ever did. I'm even surprised why anyone gives that BS of a website any consideration.

    As for this one in particular it's just yet another lame article about a bunch of radical Moslem protesters who represent a tiny fraction of the entire population. As if we didn't see enough of that. Want to see placards inciting violence, murder and death in a rally? You don't need Moslems for that. That's plenty of that a little all around the world. Give me a fruking break.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Are they?
    - Where's the sources of the pictures?
    - Where's the links to the articles?
    - Why they have a script not enabling you to copy/paste text?
    - What's weeding out false rumors with quotes such as "Why would anyone think we should be at war with such nice, peaceful Moslems!?"

    Weeding out false rumors is not what snopes.com ever did. I'm even surprised why anyone gives that BS of a website any consideration.

    As for this one in particular it's just yet another lame article about a bunch of radical Moslem protesters who represent a tiny fraction of the entire population. As if we didn't see enough of that. Want to see placards inciting violence, murder and death in a rally? You don't need Moslems for that. That's plenty of that a little all around the world. Give me a fruking break.
    Did you even read the articles? Sources are listed at the bottom of the page. The fact that those in question represented a minority was also addressed in the article.

    Stop trying to be an offended jerk like always.

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    >> What's weeding out false rumors with quotes such as "Why would anyone think we should be at war with such nice, peaceful Moslems!?" <<

    I think you're just confused. Do you realize that everything in green is the quoted text of whatever they are debunking or verifying? In this case, the quote was from an email collected in 2006, not from snopes. The rest of the article (on white background) is snopes' assessment of the truth of that email and others like it.

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    Stop trying to be an offended jerk like always.
    Look what was the bloody rumor?

    That people protested on the outset of the cartoons? That those people protesting had placards inciting violence? Are you people kidding me? This is not a rumor. It aired all over the world.

    Why is it being treated like a rumor when I saw those bloody images for at least two full weeks on public television? And saw those images on all newspapers I care to read (including two renowned American newspapers?)

    What rumor? At least give rumor a good name!

    And stop offending me like a jerk. If you don't get what I'm saying, ask.

    the quote was from an email collected in 2006
    What's the source of the email? Was it spam mail? How many people do they think received these kind of emails? Why was it considered a rumor?

    What I argue is the fact most of what that website does is fake rumors. Rumors that never existed but are made as such. It's the worst kind of "rumors".
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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