Programming language - Which one should people learn today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos View Post
    I'm so sorry to hear that you have to use ASP. That is one god awful language. I assume since you are using that and C# you are using a windows server? If so I'm sorry to hear that also.
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    > I'm so sorry to hear that you have to use ASP. That is one god awful language.
    As Cleopatra might say, "It's a pain in the ASP"
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    It's not ASP though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos View Post
    I'm so sorry to hear that you have to use ASP. That is one god awful language. I assume since you are using that and C# you are using a windows server? If so I'm sorry to hear that also.
    I'm glad to hear you're using a Windows server instead of the pain-in-the-ass Linux.
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    I don't mind windows as an OS for a server but IIS sucks hard. I usually just assume that if you are using windows as a web server you are using IIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos View Post
    I don't mind windows as an OS for a server but IIS sucks hard.
    Apparently IIS 7 deviates from all the earlier versions and now comes modularized and you install only those parts you want/need. And you can write your own through it's own API (good ridance ISAPI!) in languages such as C++ and C#.

    In fact... I beieve the new system is stronger than Apache own modules system in one aspect. You can install modules on a per-site basis, instead of globally. Coupled with native multithreaded support (which is still lacking from apache in a big way, or so I seem to realize) I can imagine some pretty hefty things being developed for IIS that may reduce Apache usability if something isn't done. I'm speaking on the area of Web Services and Web Applications.

    I'm so sorry to hear that you have to use ASP. That is one god awful language.
    You mean C# or Vb.net or C++/CLI are awful languages. As ASP.Net is not a language but makes use of any of those languages. Neither ASP was a language.
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    native multithreaded support (which is still lacking from apache in a big way, or so I seem to realize)
    I don't think so. Sure, the worker MPM is still the most well-tested in Linux, but the Win32 MPM uses threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indigo0086 View Post
    Sigh, personal preferences...
    That is what everyone thinks at first... "Oh you always bash IIS. Oh you just hate Microsoft. You just think Bill Gates looks like a goober who can buy and sell your ass."

    While those are all true, there are other important details that experience will eventually lend to you. Elysia is being hard on the linux servers but I sincerely doubt she advocates IIS. And yes, IIS has improved. But it should not need to make improvements just to try to match Apache. For two main reasons: one, Apache should not be considered the defacto standard. Two, since when does playing "catch up to the open source program" mean you are now pushing industry quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by master5001
    For two main reasons: one, Apache should not be considered the defacto standard.
    I am not sure how to interpret this. Are you trying to say that Apache is the de facto standard but that should not be the case, or are you trying to say that Apache is not the de facto standard and hence should not be considered as such?

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    Two, since when does playing "catch up to the open source program" mean you are now pushing industry quality?
    If the "open source program" is industry quality and your program is not, then indeed 'playing "catch up to the open source program"' means 'you are now pushing industry quality'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by master5001 View Post
    That is what everyone thinks at first... "Oh you always bash IIS. Oh you just hate Microsoft. You just think Bill Gates looks like a goober who can buy and sell your ass."

    While those are all true, there are other important details that experience will eventually lend to you. Elysia is being hard on the linux servers but I sincerely doubt she advocates IIS. And yes, IIS has improved. But it should not need to make improvements just to try to match Apache. For two main reasons: one, Apache should not be considered the defacto standard. Two, since when does playing "catch up to the open source program" mean you are now pushing industry quality?
    That's a lot of post that doesn't even address what I was addressing. Being that this thread is about programming languages, I was speaking about that subject. I'm nowhere near where you're at...
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